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they seem to defy the rules of physics

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hovering stopping on a dime moving at

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Hypersonic speeds

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splashed today the man in charge of

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investigating uaps said his office now

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has 650 reports more than half have a

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round or sphere shape possibly balloons

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typically white translucent or metallic

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observed at 10 to 30 000 feet so far no

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sign of alien involvement no credible

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evidence thus far of extraterrestrial

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activity Sean Kirkpatrick says this case

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remains unresolved a cylinder object

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spotted somewhere in the Middle East but

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this flying object with a tail he says

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turns out to be a plane this is the Heat

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Signature off of the engines of a

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commuter aircraft that happen to be

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flying in the vicinity are there

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capabilities that could be employed

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against us absolutely commissary is not

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they are advancing and they're advancing

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thank you

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there's nothing to hide there's nothing

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to hide at all

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what's up guys welcome to somewhere in

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the live stream we are back I am back

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home in Scotland finally after a month

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away from my home traveling like crazy

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oh it just feels so good to be in my own

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place again and sleep in my own bed and

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um and as many of you know I had some

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really weird trials and tribulations

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while I was away

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um but thank you to everyone for

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checking in on me

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um I had some some stuff happened with

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my my ears where I was almost 90 deaf

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for a little while it was a little scary

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um I even recorded and edited an entire

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episode of the podcast 90 deaf so that

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was really interesting you'll have to

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let me know how it sounded that was last

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week's episode but um enough of that we

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have so much to talk about the Senate

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everyone has their own thoughts and

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opinions on how it went

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um but we also have some other awesome

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stories to cover tonight and I couldn't

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think of a better person to come on with

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me tonight my mystery co-host uh he has

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covered basically everything either

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directly or tangentially that we're

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let's not waste any more time let's

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bring in our mystery co-host for tonight

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on somewhere in the live stream The One

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Micah Hanks welcome back brother good to

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be here Ryan actually uh welcome home

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it's good to see that you're back in uh

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the land of Lords and Loch Ness uh and

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it seems that your hearing has uh

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stabilized is that correct it is I would

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say I'm back up to about 60 so I will

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admit I'm listening to you right now on

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as high a volume as possible on my my

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earbuds here but um things are getting

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much better day by day slowly but surely

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so uh thanks man thank you for uh

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checking in on that what what do you say

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no listen actually hello that's no joke

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that's no joke I have uh struggled with

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uh hearing issues for most of my life

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lot of those earaches but the scarring

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percentage maybe 20 to 30 percent

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good to go but it's always you know been

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an issue I've had to kind of work around

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and everything and of course being a

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musician on the weekends when we got

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loud Pas and things you always got to be

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mindful of that stuff so but I I saw you

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were doing your very best Daredevil in

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Reverse you know he has super hearing

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but he's blind you had you know poor

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hearing for a few days and so you're

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using your super acute uhological Vision

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to be able to navigate New York while

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you were back here Stateside huh exactly

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man I was even staying in Hell's Kitchen

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um I did feel like Daredevil in Reverse

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but um that's crazy I didn't know that

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about you I actually my right ear is

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permanently damaged as well so I'm I had

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about 30 hearing loss too that is eerily

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similar I can't believe it so well now

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we are truly Soul Brothers we are soul

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brothers we knew that already just from

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the way that we relate but we're gonna

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get Gary's perspective on if there's

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anything about you and I and and the the

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right ear you know I actually did have

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coffee with Gary recently digitally and

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man this is one for the books uh it's

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sure to be almost as good as that really

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year of 2022 but again it was great to

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finally catch up and talk with Gary it

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might have to say about that and the

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continuity between those experiences you

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regressed memories that uh are going to

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come to the surface well you never know

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man uh well I'm very much looking

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at rebelliously curious but I know your

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conversation will only continue that so

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um we'll definitely tease that at the

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end of this live stream but hey let's

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talk about the meat on the bone of

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tonight's live stream and that is the

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Senate UAP hearing

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um I was in New York when this happened

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were about 45 minutes late starting so I

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kind of had to make do with my live

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stream I did a little dancing to keep

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um played some video clips but then

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just hit the ground running and uh we

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Kirkpatrick so I guess let's just start

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initial thoughts when you finally got to

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sort of in the shadows there had been of

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course last December one brief

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off-camera well press briefing that he

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and Ronald Moultrie provided about the

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current efforts of Arrow and this in

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advance of the release of that report

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now if you knew where to look online

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there were actually forums and uh you

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know other kinds of things that he had

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participated in from his past work with

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U.S spacecom and indeed uh Dr

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Kirkpatrick was very involved in that

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also there was uh following the

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announcement of His official uh position

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appeared online and so a lot of people

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side of all this but also the National

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Defense implications of what we're

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Senate hearing I mean this was an

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oversight hearing and a lot of people

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were kind of you know wondering what we

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might see out of this there was

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resounding shock wave of responses on

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social media seem to be discontent a lot

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of people were very disappointed a lot

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of people see Dr Kirkpatrick is a

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bureaucrat they feel like he's

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dismissive toward the topic some even

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I disagree with all those things I was

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actually very pleasantly surprised here

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in very simple terms we have a scientist

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or are that he's saying here's the data

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are very new at this and we're only

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those that we have looked at we don't

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see any overt evidence of anything

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exotic extraterrestrial or anomalous

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stream media left it right there okay

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well you know there's nothing to see

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here because we aren't seeing Dem aliens

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but I'm thinking to myself okay

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here we've got a guy who's a scientist

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Who's acting like one who's talking like

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one who's doing what scientists should

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do okay he's giving us data and he is

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saying fundamentally that rather than

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here's what I hope they are or what you

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guys are hoping they are what they

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they are no no he says I'm going to

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follow this wherever the science leads

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and we're going to see this through but

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right now and he said this and

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emphasized it to senator gillibrand who

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we've got to commend for bringing this

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all together again I remain a fan of

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Senator gillibrand but he said I hope

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you will give me time and understand if

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we've got to deal with the issues that

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are of most pertinence to National

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Security First but we're going to follow

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this wherever the science leads

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that's basically in my view everything

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that really any serious proponent of the

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study the scientific study of UAP should

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hope for an official to be saying it's

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what we need frankly I think that rather

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than the death of ufology as it's been

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characterized by some online know what

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this is it's exactly what ufology needed

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and you know what if in the end it

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doesn't provide evidence of exotic

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Technologies E.T visiting from afar that

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doesn't matter we need we need to do

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what Dr Kirkpatrick is talking about

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follow the science see where this leads

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see what it determines who knows in that

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great scientific tradition we may

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actually learn something if we do and I

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say good on him I think he's a great

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addition and not only to government and

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National Security but also to the

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long-held concerns by the collective UAP

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Community what are these mysteries of

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our skies let's not lead with

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presumptions let's actually look at the

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data

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absolutely Matt hey cheers to Sean

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Kirkpatrick well raise a drink for that

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for sure cheers man I you know

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a lot of people were saying this is just

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this is so boring um he's saying exactly

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what the establishment wants him to say

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blah blah blah but I will say I was

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thoroughly impressed with how he handled

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this look like you said this is brand

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new

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um clearly

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clearly he didn't quote unquote want to

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be there doing this he wanted to be at

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the office doing the work he's been

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hired to do

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for what time he was given for the lack

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of resources he has we know gillibrand

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has been you know going up against

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everyone trying to get the budget for

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Arrow the budget they asked for the

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budget they deserve to do this work

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um Kirkpatrick was working with like

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three people when he first got hired to

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do this I know it's up to a few dozen

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now which is awesome like we're now

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moving forward with this which is great

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so you're right this wasn't so much okay

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here's them aliens here's um every case

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we're looking at it was kind of this is

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what arrow is going to be doing here's

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one or two things we've looked at one

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thing we've positive positively

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identified and one we're still uh

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unclear about and I do want to play that

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video we'll discuss the um the the

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Middle East video in just a little bit

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here but um I agree with everything you

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said I was very impressed with what he

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had to say how he had to say it and how

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accessible he made it like you said as a

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scientist it can be very uh I I would

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assume daunting to try to explain your

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methodology of what you're doing

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um for someone like uh the everyday

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person out there they're not going to

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understand you know the methodologies or

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the sensor systems in which they're

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they're using or how they prioritize

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cases this that this that

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um I thought he made it very digestible

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um I learned a hell of a lot during this

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about what era is going to be doing and

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um one of those things and I'd love to

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get your thoughts on this is we finally

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learned about the shapes and everything

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which was really cool

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um the the commonalities between shapes

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uh the maneuverabilities so I guess

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let's start there what did you think was

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what really stood out to you at the

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hearing that my friend yeah what you

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just mentioned stood out and I'm so glad

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you mentioned it because again you know

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there are a lot of folks out there and I

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don't want to sound like I'm attacking

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the community it's a community I'm a

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part of

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um I always try to maintain skepticism

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as my default position but I don't play

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by that kind of I guess you know

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Playbook of a lot of modern Skeptics

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where it's

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we always presume that something that

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seems extraordinary therefore is and

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therefore there's a simple explanation

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maybe even a mundane when we're always

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going to find at all costs some kind of

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mundane explanation no matter what the

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data might actually appear to indicate

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that's the issue the flawed logic I

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think that some Skeptics not all but

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some Skeptics do tend to lead with

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um there are very well maybe cases where

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a genuine anomaly emerges

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I think that there's a lot of faulty

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logic in terms of well if there's an

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anomaly then it's going to display these

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clear characteristics it's going to move

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really fast it's going to do things that

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seem magical and we haven't seen

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anything that's truly anomalous like

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that therefore none of these things are

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anomalies and I'm thinking to myself

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whoever said I mean yeah we've heard of

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course about the five observables and

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things like that but great okay apart

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from that whoever said that really

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something that is supposed to represent

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a potential for humankind and for the

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Sciences uh that could be groundbreaking

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whoever said that it necessarily has to

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be like magic that it has to act a

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certain way do certain things this is

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the big gripe I always have with Neil

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deGrasse Tyson and a lot of scientists

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they watch Hollywood films they see what

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alien spacecraft look like in those

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Hollywood films and then they say if

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alien spacecraft were visiting Earth we

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would know it no you don't you have no

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idea what they'd be like you only know

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what you've seen in films so I think

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that both the Skeptics and the Believers

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often come at this going look we know

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what this is or we know what it should

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behave like and it either is or isn't

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that we don't know any of those things

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we just need to look at the data and we

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need to try and be open-minded to it now

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that's what Dr Kirkpatrick's doing but

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he's also taking things a step further

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than the predecessor agency the UAP task

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force did here's how like you point out

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Ryan yes in that briefing slide that he

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showed during the session with senator

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gillibrand in addition to this footage

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he didn't have to show us footage of a

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UAP but he did but he's also showing us

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this slide right here and this one not

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only gives us the reported UAP

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morphology it also gives us a lot of

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characteristics altitudes it's giving us

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you know information about radiothermal

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propulsion or lack thereof and also hot

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spots where these things tend to appear

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around the world although and again

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rather than leading with biases and

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presumptions Dr Kirkpatrick is pointing

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out hey there are probably actually some

408
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issues with biases that emerge from

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these statistics for instance you a UAP

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showing up around certain hot spots

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that probably actually has to do with

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the locations where our sensors are more

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than the prevalence of UAP reports per

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se the altitudes that we see over here

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on the left side of the screen where the

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bars are the highest there well of

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course that's the altitude that most

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aircraft operate

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right the thing that's so important

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about everything we're seeing on the

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screen right now is that all this

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information is what previously was

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omitted from the public odni reports in

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2021 and 2022 but more specifically in a

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classified version of the 2021 report

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that was obtained by researcher John

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Greenwald Jr using a mandatory

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declassification review and you and I

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both talked with John at length about

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that report this information was

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conveyed but redacted in that version of

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the report there was an entire uh

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um portion in the back a appendix of the

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2021 report that discussed the shapes uh

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you know Common shapes and appearance of

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UAV now the title of that apparent chart

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that appeared on that page was left but

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it redacted all that you know why that

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was redacted Ryan because there have

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been a classification guide that had

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been written by the UAP task force

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leadership that classification guide

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also redacted but nonetheless a redacted

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version of it released through foia and

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I think it was Greenville Greenwald that

446
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got that also that UAP classification

447
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guide dictated what information was

448
00:19:16,010 --> 00:19:13,799
supposed to be removed so Dr Kirkpatrick

449
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is showing us this that means two things

450
00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:18,539
one that obviously he went through the

451
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necessary declassification process

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process to be able to get that released

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and did so and then included that

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information that was previously left out

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of the reports even the Declassified

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version of the classified version that

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went to government in 2021 Dr

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Kirkpatrick and arrow have Declassified

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that gone through the process they

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included that in their briefing slides

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that they showed us during the Senate

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hearing

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and that also means that in addition to

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trying to get this stuff Declassified

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and doing so they did so with the

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apparent purpose of showing it to the

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public now people are out there griping

468
00:19:54,890 --> 00:19:52,620
about arrow and Dr Kirkpatrick folks we

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are seeing more transparency about what

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the government is collecting about this

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phenomenon then the predecessor agency

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right some of whom and I've met some of

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those people you know I think I can say

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his name now since he's come out and

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00:20:09,890 --> 00:20:07,559
he's appeared at alien con and given you

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00:20:11,330 --> 00:20:09,900
know interviews but Jay Stratton Chrissy

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Newton and I sat and we spoke at length

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of J Stratton he is a fine guy we had a

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great conversation I have a lot of

480
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respect for Jay I also have met and

481
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spoken at length with Dr Travis Taylor

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um so I'm not faulting the UAP task

483
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force by any means having spoken with

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them and having what I feel is a pretty

485
00:20:29,450 --> 00:20:27,120
good feel for their take on this

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phenomenon what the issue represents to

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National Security and the importance of

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getting this information out to the

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public

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but it is still relevant to point out

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the arrow for all the issues people take

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with Dr Kirkpatrick his attitude you

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00:20:44,330 --> 00:20:42,240
know how he conveys himself on camera

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00:20:46,190 --> 00:20:44,340
everything that UFO Twitter was talking

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about the other day folks we're finally

496
00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:48,720
seeing more more transparency we're

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00:20:52,010 --> 00:20:50,760
finally seeing more data we're finally

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00:20:53,750 --> 00:20:52,020
seeing more relevant information

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probably than we have ever seen about

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the United States government and its

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collection of UAP information and that

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also being treated scientifically and

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discussed in an open Forum a senate

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hearing what is to complain about you

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00:21:08,270 --> 00:21:06,240
finally get what you've been wanting and

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everybody's angry I don't get it I mean

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this is maybe some of the best

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information we have seen probably in

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decades

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yeah well and there's a couple issues I

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want to bring up with you in terms of

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some of the very vocal people in the UFO

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field who you know before this hearing

514
00:21:28,430 --> 00:21:25,260
would say things like if they don't

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bring up crash retrievals and

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ET bodies then we know they're lying

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00:21:36,289 --> 00:21:34,320
because we know for a fact that they

518
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that Kirkpatrick is aware of these

519
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things and and this and that and

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um if he does not bring up the ET

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presence then this is all a sham um I

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00:21:50,930 --> 00:21:47,520
take huge issue with that as I'm sure

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you do as well Micah um this matters a

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scientist this man is working on a new

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program this man does not have access to

526
00:22:01,789 --> 00:21:58,380
everything he wants that's something I

527
00:22:04,250 --> 00:22:01,799
want to ask you you know we heard that

528
00:22:07,070 --> 00:22:04,260
we heard Kirkpatrick talk about how he

529
00:22:10,010 --> 00:22:07,080
does not have the clearance that he

530
00:22:12,169 --> 00:22:10,020
needs to get the sufficient data to have

531
00:22:13,370 --> 00:22:12,179
a full data set on what arrow is doing

532
00:22:15,649 --> 00:22:13,380
at this point

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00:22:16,370 --> 00:22:15,659
um I believe it was what he he called

534
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um

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it was at section 50 title

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um title 50 uh where most of the

537
00:22:27,169 --> 00:22:25,200
classified information is that he would

538
00:22:30,590 --> 00:22:27,179
need to investigate these things

539
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,600
thoroughly um he does not have access to

540
00:22:35,450 --> 00:22:32,880
that and Jilla brand just said straight

541
00:22:37,789 --> 00:22:35,460
up do you need access to that and he's

542
00:22:39,350 --> 00:22:37,799
like yeah and she's like okay we'll work

543
00:22:42,289 --> 00:22:39,360
on that for you

544
00:22:44,570 --> 00:22:42,299
um what did you make of that whole issue

545
00:22:47,630 --> 00:22:44,580
with all of this that Kirkpatrick even

546
00:22:50,029 --> 00:22:47,640
Kirkpatrick not the public like we're

547
00:22:52,730 --> 00:22:50,039
working as UFO researchers independent

548
00:22:55,909 --> 00:22:52,740
UFO researchers with very limited data

549
00:22:57,890 --> 00:22:55,919
but even Kirkpatrick is working with

550
00:22:59,930 --> 00:22:57,900
limited data and not getting what he

551
00:23:02,390 --> 00:22:59,940
needs so what do you make about that

552
00:23:04,010 --> 00:23:02,400
whole issue with all of this yeah and

553
00:23:05,510 --> 00:23:04,020
that's a very important point one that

554
00:23:07,130 --> 00:23:05,520
again has been emphasized by my

555
00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:07,140
colleague Tim McMillan there at the

556
00:23:10,130 --> 00:23:08,580
debrief who may have also been tweeting

557
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:10,140
about this but essentially we're talking

558
00:23:15,289 --> 00:23:12,419
about title 50 Authority and of course

559
00:23:18,049 --> 00:23:15,299
Dr Kirkpatrick complaining about you

560
00:23:21,110 --> 00:23:18,059
know the necessity of having that the

561
00:23:24,049 --> 00:23:21,120
issue with that is that without access

562
00:23:25,370 --> 00:23:24,059
to that information uh he is being left

563
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,380
out of I mean I don't know about some

564
00:23:28,850 --> 00:23:27,120
estimates as much as maybe 80 percent of

565
00:23:32,270 --> 00:23:28,860
you know intelligence community

566
00:23:34,250 --> 00:23:32,280
uh information related to the topic uh

567
00:23:36,230 --> 00:23:34,260
probably a lot of that coming from you

568
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:36,240
know a particular three-letter agency

569
00:23:41,390 --> 00:23:38,520
right that handles Central Intelligence

570
00:23:42,890 --> 00:23:41,400
for the United States of America so the

571
00:23:44,870 --> 00:23:42,900
important Point here is that Dr

572
00:23:45,770 --> 00:23:44,880
Kirkpatrick is explicitly saying you

573
00:23:46,850 --> 00:23:45,780
know I'm seeing people in the chat

574
00:23:48,350 --> 00:23:46,860
they're saying he's read into everything

575
00:23:51,049 --> 00:23:48,360
and therefore he should know all this

576
00:23:53,450 --> 00:23:51,059
stuff he explicitly said the other day

577
00:23:57,529 --> 00:23:53,460
that he is limited in terms of what he

578
00:24:01,070 --> 00:23:57,539
has access to and he is appealing to uh

579
00:24:03,950 --> 00:24:01,080
Janet Brandon thereby the Senate uh for

580
00:24:06,770 --> 00:24:03,960
additional accessibility to information

581
00:24:08,450 --> 00:24:06,780
now this is not a new problem okay it

582
00:24:10,850 --> 00:24:08,460
not only illustrates the limitations of

583
00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:10,860
what era was able to do but it also

584
00:24:13,610 --> 00:24:12,720
underscores an ongoing problem you may

585
00:24:15,169 --> 00:24:13,620
remember there was an excellent

586
00:24:19,430 --> 00:24:15,179
political article I think Brian Bender

587
00:24:21,590 --> 00:24:19,440
did probably back in 2020 and uh this

588
00:24:24,830 --> 00:24:21,600
had to do with the efforts at that time

589
00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:24,840
by the UAP task force and uh Chris

590
00:24:28,310 --> 00:24:26,760
Mellon had been quoted in Politico

591
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:28,320
saying that members of the UAP Task

592
00:24:31,610 --> 00:24:29,700
Force at that point were saying they

593
00:24:34,070 --> 00:24:31,620
were being stiff-formed you remember

594
00:24:35,510 --> 00:24:34,080
that yep yeah they said that they were

595
00:24:37,970 --> 00:24:35,520
being stiff armed by members of the

596
00:24:40,850 --> 00:24:37,980
intelligence agency who yeah in that

597
00:24:43,250 --> 00:24:40,860
instance uh had reportedly not been

598
00:24:44,930 --> 00:24:43,260
fully compliant with requests by the UAP

599
00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:44,940
task force to get access to certain

600
00:24:48,830 --> 00:24:46,260
information

601
00:24:51,169 --> 00:24:48,840
so again what uh Dr Kirkpatrick is

602
00:24:52,610 --> 00:24:51,179
discussing there's an ongoing issue and

603
00:24:54,230 --> 00:24:52,620
it goes back much further even than

604
00:24:56,210 --> 00:24:54,240
recent years you know back in the 1980s

605
00:24:59,029 --> 00:24:56,220
there was an organization called the uh

606
00:25:02,330 --> 00:24:59,039
citizens against UFO secrecy or calls

607
00:25:04,909 --> 00:25:02,340
and they had filed a lawsuit against the

608
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:04,919
CIA and also the National Security

609
00:25:08,270 --> 00:25:06,240
Agency and they were trying to get

610
00:25:10,549 --> 00:25:08,280
access through the foia process of

611
00:25:13,549 --> 00:25:10,559
course as civilians they were trying to

612
00:25:16,130 --> 00:25:13,559
get access to uh CIA information and NSA

613
00:25:17,570 --> 00:25:16,140
information about UAP incidentally Todd

614
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:17,580
zekel I believe one of the members had

615
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:19,980
actually been a former NSA employee but

616
00:25:23,930 --> 00:25:21,360
that notwithstanding they were trying to

617
00:25:26,029 --> 00:25:23,940
get access to foia and what ended up

618
00:25:27,470 --> 00:25:26,039
happening with the case of the CIA was

619
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,480
that a lot of information first they

620
00:25:32,390 --> 00:25:29,760
denied they had any I believe but then

621
00:25:34,490 --> 00:25:32,400
it later came out through FBI

622
00:25:35,630 --> 00:25:34,500
documentation where the FBI said you

623
00:25:37,549 --> 00:25:35,640
know we have some stuff but we're gonna

624
00:25:40,070 --> 00:25:37,559
have to go to certain agencies the NSA

625
00:25:41,570 --> 00:25:40,080
the CIA and get you know permission from

626
00:25:43,430 --> 00:25:41,580
them to give you what we've been shown

627
00:25:45,230 --> 00:25:43,440
and therefore it revealed that those

628
00:25:47,510 --> 00:25:45,240
agencies had what they said they didn't

629
00:25:49,490 --> 00:25:47,520
so additional lawsuits were filed

630
00:25:52,010 --> 00:25:49,500
ultimately in the case of the CIA

631
00:25:53,810 --> 00:25:52,020
several documents actually were released

632
00:25:56,330 --> 00:25:53,820
a huge batch of documents were finally

633
00:25:57,769 --> 00:25:56,340
released the NSA it was a little more

634
00:26:00,649 --> 00:25:57,779
difficult to get access to that

635
00:26:03,950 --> 00:26:00,659
information and ultimately a judge had

636
00:26:05,930 --> 00:26:03,960
to rule uh in favor of the NSA saying

637
00:26:08,870 --> 00:26:05,940
that the public desire to know what the

638
00:26:10,490 --> 00:26:08,880
NSA had about UAP or UFOs as they were

639
00:26:13,250 --> 00:26:10,500
called in those days

640
00:26:15,230 --> 00:26:13,260
um was not outweighed by the potential

641
00:26:16,789 --> 00:26:15,240
impact on National Security that the

642
00:26:18,769 --> 00:26:16,799
release of that information would have

643
00:26:20,870 --> 00:26:18,779
and that's very significant because

644
00:26:22,730 --> 00:26:20,880
additional attempts over the decades to

645
00:26:24,649 --> 00:26:22,740
try and get NSA information about UAP

646
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:24,659
have failed and again they've come back

647
00:26:27,830 --> 00:26:26,279
to saying actually any documents we had

648
00:26:31,549 --> 00:26:27,840
we no longer have they've been destroyed

649
00:26:34,730 --> 00:26:31,559
or whatever so there's long held concern

650
00:26:37,310 --> 00:26:34,740
about the level of secrecy within the

651
00:26:40,490 --> 00:26:37,320
intelligence Community what they

652
00:26:41,870 --> 00:26:40,500
exclusively want access to what is being

653
00:26:44,330 --> 00:26:41,880
currently apparently kept out of the

654
00:26:46,250 --> 00:26:44,340
hands of Dr Kirkpatrick and the ultimate

655
00:26:47,630 --> 00:26:46,260
anomaly resolution office and what

656
00:26:49,549 --> 00:26:47,640
researchers for years have tried to get

657
00:26:51,289 --> 00:26:49,559
access to information about and have

658
00:26:53,450 --> 00:26:51,299
only had limited success this is an

659
00:26:56,090 --> 00:26:53,460
ongoing problem and it comes down to one

660
00:26:59,390 --> 00:26:56,100
thing Ryan you know at what point is

661
00:27:01,070 --> 00:26:59,400
necessary secrecy unnecessary at what

662
00:27:02,990 --> 00:27:01,080
point do we get Beyond just protecting

663
00:27:04,850 --> 00:27:03,000
ways and me means and sources and

664
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:04,860
methods and we get over into the realm

665
00:27:08,930 --> 00:27:06,480
of understanding that there are certain

666
00:27:11,269 --> 00:27:08,940
topics related to this that the public

667
00:27:12,769 --> 00:27:11,279
does desire deserve to know about should

668
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:12,779
know about information that should be

669
00:27:17,149 --> 00:27:15,179
made publicly accessible now again I'll

670
00:27:19,070 --> 00:27:17,159
go back to the UAP task force they had

671
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:19,080
had their issues with this themselves

672
00:27:23,630 --> 00:27:22,140
but they perhaps in good faith I mean I

673
00:27:25,970 --> 00:27:23,640
presume that this wasn't good faith in

674
00:27:28,370 --> 00:27:25,980
the interest of National Security they

675
00:27:30,350 --> 00:27:28,380
had a classification guide that governed

676
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:30,360
what information could be released and

677
00:27:33,470 --> 00:27:32,400
how it could be handled we didn't see a

678
00:27:34,549 --> 00:27:33,480
lot of stuff for a couple of years and

679
00:27:35,690 --> 00:27:34,559
then the other day while everybody's

680
00:27:37,970 --> 00:27:35,700
complaining a bunch of this information

681
00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:37,980
just came out courtesy of Dr Kirkpatrick

682
00:27:41,029 --> 00:27:39,059
who apparently went through that

683
00:27:43,850 --> 00:27:41,039
declassification process

684
00:27:45,649 --> 00:27:43,860
information that previously was being

685
00:27:46,909 --> 00:27:45,659
kept out of our hands and that we

686
00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:46,919
weren't made access you know given

687
00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:49,220
access to suddenly just became available

688
00:27:54,769 --> 00:27:52,799
somebody apparently realized okay this

689
00:27:58,130 --> 00:27:54,779
is no longer something that has to be

690
00:28:01,130 --> 00:27:58,140
held no out of public view how much more

691
00:28:02,930 --> 00:28:01,140
that's being withheld by the CIA by the

692
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,940
NSA by anybody else in the intelligence

693
00:28:06,049 --> 00:28:04,320
Community National geospatial

694
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:06,059
Intelligence I mean we can go on down

695
00:28:09,529 --> 00:28:07,799
the list how much more information is

696
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,539
currently being withheld that perhaps on

697
00:28:13,130 --> 00:28:11,039
further review

698
00:28:14,810 --> 00:28:13,140
would not Gravely impact National

699
00:28:16,850 --> 00:28:14,820
Security and could be released at very

700
00:28:18,830 --> 00:28:16,860
least it should be released or at least

701
00:28:20,930 --> 00:28:18,840
access title 50 Authority perhaps should

702
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:20,940
be granted to Arrow that's not what

703
00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,960
we're seeing right now that's what all

704
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,760
that means and that's the longer term

705
00:28:26,769 --> 00:28:25,440
problem we've been dealing with now for

706
00:28:29,750 --> 00:28:26,779
decades

707
00:28:33,409 --> 00:28:29,760
absolutely I mean and like you mentioned

708
00:28:35,830 --> 00:28:33,419
not even just with the UFO topic so um I

709
00:28:38,810 --> 00:28:35,840
I think I think this was kind of

710
00:28:41,570 --> 00:28:38,820
Kirkpatrick's way of saying to those

711
00:28:43,669 --> 00:28:41,580
agencies we're coming after you and you

712
00:28:45,590 --> 00:28:43,679
have to you have to do this well we'll

713
00:28:49,250 --> 00:28:45,600
see we'll see what happens with all of

714
00:28:51,590 --> 00:28:49,260
it but um I want to play the video that

715
00:28:53,570 --> 00:28:51,600
Kirkpatrick showed during this now he

716
00:28:57,350 --> 00:28:53,580
showed to one which they were able to

717
00:28:59,330 --> 00:28:57,360
positively identify as a a man-made

718
00:29:01,070 --> 00:28:59,340
aircraft but then we had this other one

719
00:29:02,930 --> 00:29:01,080
from the Middle East so I'm gonna go

720
00:29:05,450 --> 00:29:02,940
ahead and play that quick and then get

721
00:29:07,669 --> 00:29:05,460
your thoughts on that on the other side

722
00:29:10,010 --> 00:29:07,679
awesome

723
00:29:12,110 --> 00:29:10,020
you'll see it come through the top of

724
00:29:15,470 --> 00:29:12,120
the screen there it goes and then the

725
00:29:17,330 --> 00:29:15,480
camera will slew to follow it

726
00:29:19,610 --> 00:29:17,340
you'll see it pop in and out of the

727
00:29:22,130 --> 00:29:19,620
screw field of view there

728
00:29:23,870 --> 00:29:22,140
this is essentially all of the data we

729
00:29:26,930 --> 00:29:23,880
have associated with this event from

730
00:29:31,789 --> 00:29:28,970
it is going to be virtually impossible

731
00:29:34,130 --> 00:29:31,799
to fully identify that

732
00:29:36,350 --> 00:29:34,140
just based off of that video

733
00:29:39,950 --> 00:29:36,360
now what we can do and what we are doing

734
00:29:42,889 --> 00:29:39,960
is keeping that as part of that

735
00:29:45,769 --> 00:29:42,899
group of 52 percent

736
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:45,779
to see what are the similarities what

737
00:29:49,970 --> 00:29:47,940
are the trends across all these do we

738
00:29:52,789 --> 00:29:49,980
see these in a particular distribution

739
00:29:55,370 --> 00:29:52,799
do they all behave the same or not

740
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:55,380
as we get more data

741
00:30:01,610 --> 00:29:57,419
we will be able to go back and look at

742
00:30:07,730 --> 00:30:04,970
as we get more data and uh to anyone

743
00:30:09,710 --> 00:30:07,740
wondering no this is not the mosul or

744
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,720
this is not the same event as Jeremy

745
00:30:13,490 --> 00:30:11,760
Corbell is brought forward he's been

746
00:30:15,289 --> 00:30:13,500
very vocal about that this is a

747
00:30:19,490 --> 00:30:15,299
different event I think they said it

748
00:30:21,830 --> 00:30:19,500
took place in two thousand nine perhaps

749
00:30:23,389 --> 00:30:21,840
um I yeah something like that I'd have

750
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,399
to go back and watch the video um which

751
00:30:27,110 --> 00:30:25,919
was not the same as Jeremy corbell's but

752
00:30:30,830 --> 00:30:27,120
um what I think is interesting about

753
00:30:33,350 --> 00:30:30,840
this is we got to see you know what

754
00:30:36,289 --> 00:30:33,360
Kirkpatrick is able to do with very

755
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:36,299
limited data it gets put somewhere and

756
00:30:42,409 --> 00:30:38,640
then when we do start to find similar

757
00:30:44,510 --> 00:30:42,419
shaped objects or maneuverabilities then

758
00:30:46,490 --> 00:30:44,520
we can go back to that one that we don't

759
00:30:48,230 --> 00:30:46,500
have the data for and say it's pretty

760
00:30:51,350 --> 00:30:48,240
similar it's moving kind of the same

761
00:30:52,310 --> 00:30:51,360
let's try to you know compare that to

762
00:30:54,409 --> 00:30:52,320
that

763
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,419
um so I think again like this is what

764
00:30:57,830 --> 00:30:56,399
this is what he's working with very

765
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:57,840
limited data

766
00:31:01,610 --> 00:30:59,880
um when these things are submitted and

767
00:31:03,830 --> 00:31:01,620
obviously

768
00:31:05,870 --> 00:31:03,840
um a lack of transparency

769
00:31:07,310 --> 00:31:05,880
um what I think is really cool and you

770
00:31:10,070 --> 00:31:07,320
know he mentioned this more towards the

771
00:31:13,130 --> 00:31:10,080
end of the hearing is

772
00:31:15,289 --> 00:31:13,140
um let's see here he has assembled a

773
00:31:18,169 --> 00:31:15,299
pair of teams in intelligence Community

774
00:31:20,590 --> 00:31:18,179
team and a science and technology team

775
00:31:22,669 --> 00:31:20,600
comprise comprised of Engineers

776
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:22,679
physicists and others that are

777
00:31:27,409 --> 00:31:24,720
performing a competitive analysis of

778
00:31:30,289 --> 00:31:27,419
data arrow is collecting

779
00:31:32,870 --> 00:31:30,299
that's pretty cool you know it's not

780
00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:32,880
just you know the scientists over here

781
00:31:38,990 --> 00:31:36,000
or the the intelligence people over here

782
00:31:41,630 --> 00:31:39,000
they're working together and they're

783
00:31:43,669 --> 00:31:41,640
competitive like they all it's like

784
00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:43,679
trying to get the gold star to put up on

785
00:31:47,870 --> 00:31:45,360
the board in in elementary school

786
00:31:51,950 --> 00:31:47,880
whoever gets it gets the pizza party so

787
00:31:54,230 --> 00:31:51,960
I I love this idea of um competitive

788
00:31:55,130 --> 00:31:54,240
analysis in trying to understand these

789
00:31:57,950 --> 00:31:55,140
things

790
00:32:00,110 --> 00:31:57,960
um so yeah I guess let's rewind and uh

791
00:32:02,090 --> 00:32:00,120
what did you make of this section of the

792
00:32:04,130 --> 00:32:02,100
hearing when he showed the videos did

793
00:32:05,990 --> 00:32:04,140
this add anything you know to the

794
00:32:07,909 --> 00:32:06,000
optimistic side of what arrow is doing

795
00:32:09,230 --> 00:32:07,919
oh yeah I mean it certainly did it was

796
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:09,240
better than the video that Scott Bray

797
00:32:12,889 --> 00:32:10,440
showed us during the Congressional

798
00:32:15,110 --> 00:32:12,899
hearings last year I don't think anybody

799
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:15,120
really expected that Dr Kirkpatrick was

800
00:32:18,289 --> 00:32:16,559
going to sit there show us all the stuff

801
00:32:20,570 --> 00:32:18,299
that had been classified previously in

802
00:32:22,970 --> 00:32:20,580
the ODNR reports and give us what may be

803
00:32:24,529 --> 00:32:22,980
a better UFO video than any that we've

804
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:24,539
seen since the three historic Navy

805
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:26,820
videos were released now again there

806
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:27,899
have been some down to Earth

807
00:32:31,549 --> 00:32:29,880
explanations offered Mick West has

808
00:32:33,950 --> 00:32:31,559
presented the idea of a winch aerostat

809
00:32:37,190 --> 00:32:33,960
small platform or some similar kind of a

810
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:37,200
survey surveillance aerostat that might

811
00:32:41,810 --> 00:32:39,480
have been in use by the United States

812
00:32:44,269 --> 00:32:41,820
and Iraq at that time or in other

813
00:32:46,070 --> 00:32:44,279
locations and that's you know possibly a

814
00:32:48,289 --> 00:32:46,080
good suggestion I do think it's

815
00:32:50,210 --> 00:32:48,299
noteworthy that again the similarity of

816
00:32:52,430 --> 00:32:50,220
that object or the so-called metallic

817
00:32:54,289 --> 00:32:52,440
orb that we saw uh before the Senate the

818
00:32:56,330 --> 00:32:54,299
other day that Dr Kirkpatrick released

819
00:32:58,250 --> 00:32:56,340
as you pointed out it is similar in

820
00:33:00,110 --> 00:32:58,260
appearance to the object that was

821
00:33:01,789 --> 00:33:00,120
purportedly photographed over mosul that

822
00:33:03,350 --> 00:33:01,799
Jeremy Corbell released earlier this

823
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:03,360
year as well

824
00:33:07,789 --> 00:33:05,820
um the issue with that that I take

825
00:33:10,669 --> 00:33:07,799
however is that if it were any kind of a

826
00:33:12,889 --> 00:33:10,679
really well-known technology that the US

827
00:33:14,570 --> 00:33:12,899
military would have been using

828
00:33:17,149 --> 00:33:14,580
um for instance like a tethered aerostat

829
00:33:18,950 --> 00:33:17,159
radar system and again what we're

830
00:33:21,169 --> 00:33:18,960
talking about here is basically a small

831
00:33:24,049 --> 00:33:21,179
inflatable blimp-like device usually

832
00:33:25,850 --> 00:33:24,059
Tethered to the ground and it has

833
00:33:27,169 --> 00:33:25,860
functional radar capabilities and it's

834
00:33:29,090 --> 00:33:27,179
used very much for that purpose now the

835
00:33:32,330 --> 00:33:29,100
whole thing is is that that also is a

836
00:33:35,450 --> 00:33:32,340
data collecting medium so if that's what

837
00:33:37,070 --> 00:33:35,460
the objects in these videos were I would

838
00:33:38,330 --> 00:33:37,080
imagine probably that there would have

839
00:33:39,950 --> 00:33:38,340
been data that could have been

840
00:33:41,450 --> 00:33:39,960
retrievable about the date and time that

841
00:33:44,149 --> 00:33:41,460
would have pretty clearly indicated the

842
00:33:46,310 --> 00:33:44,159
location of said aristat its position

843
00:33:47,690 --> 00:33:46,320
its use its function and other data it

844
00:33:49,789 --> 00:33:47,700
was collecting and that probably could

845
00:33:52,370 --> 00:33:49,799
be used to rule this out

846
00:33:54,289 --> 00:33:52,380
um to the contrary uh and I may be wrong

847
00:33:56,930 --> 00:33:54,299
about this but I mean just pushing back

848
00:33:59,570 --> 00:33:56,940
a little against that aerostat idea Dr

849
00:34:01,250 --> 00:33:59,580
Kirkpatrick said during the Senate uh

850
00:34:02,630 --> 00:34:01,260
discussion the other day that this video

851
00:34:04,250 --> 00:34:02,640
that we have of this object is

852
00:34:08,810 --> 00:34:04,260
essentially all that we have about this

853
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:08,820
one so again to me it seems that if

854
00:34:12,649 --> 00:34:10,560
there were a very simple explanation and

855
00:34:14,450 --> 00:34:12,659
there very well may be one

856
00:34:16,010 --> 00:34:14,460
um and by the way to his credit Mick has

857
00:34:17,750 --> 00:34:16,020
not come out and said that's what this

858
00:34:19,430 --> 00:34:17,760
is It's solved he's merely put that

859
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:19,440
forward as a as a you know likely

860
00:34:22,369 --> 00:34:20,820
proposition and I think that's a good

861
00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:22,379
one that's a very helpful

862
00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,899
um addition to this dialogue but I would

863
00:34:28,490 --> 00:34:26,760
imagine that due to the uses for those

864
00:34:29,810 --> 00:34:28,500
kinds of tethered era stats and the kind

865
00:34:31,970 --> 00:34:29,820
of data that often they're used to

866
00:34:33,409 --> 00:34:31,980
collect for surveillance purposes uh

867
00:34:35,510 --> 00:34:33,419
there would be data that we would we

868
00:34:37,310 --> 00:34:35,520
would be able to use to triangulate uh

869
00:34:39,050 --> 00:34:37,320
the time the location of the footage

870
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:39,060
keep in mind that it were Electro or

871
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:40,740
they were Electro Optical systems on

872
00:34:44,570 --> 00:34:42,899
board that Reaper drone that MQ-9 that

873
00:34:45,889 --> 00:34:44,580
captured this footage

874
00:34:47,570 --> 00:34:45,899
um I would think that we should be able

875
00:34:49,550 --> 00:34:47,580
to determine if it were aerostat used

876
00:34:52,369 --> 00:34:49,560
for surveillance if that were the case

877
00:34:54,409 --> 00:34:52,379
um maybe I'm wrong but what we do know

878
00:34:56,990 --> 00:34:54,419
is that Dr Kirkpatrick said that footage

879
00:34:58,849 --> 00:34:57,000
is essentially all we have when it comes

880
00:35:00,349 --> 00:34:58,859
to that incident all we know about that

881
00:35:01,609 --> 00:35:00,359
incident and the object that was filmed

882
00:35:04,790 --> 00:35:01,619
is essentially what we see in that

883
00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:04,800
footage and really I think that again we

884
00:35:07,910 --> 00:35:06,720
hear a lot these days about UAP

885
00:35:10,250 --> 00:35:07,920
following into the so-called low

886
00:35:12,770 --> 00:35:10,260
information nation's own I think that's

887
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:12,780
something to keep in mind here too with

888
00:35:15,950 --> 00:35:14,760
so little to work with as a video of

889
00:35:18,290 --> 00:35:15,960
what looks like a little spherical

890
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:18,300
object flying and obviously the Reaper

891
00:35:22,310 --> 00:35:19,920
drone is following it it's trying to

892
00:35:24,650 --> 00:35:22,320
observe this thing some have tried to

893
00:35:26,270 --> 00:35:24,660
suggest that the object moving or the

894
00:35:27,890 --> 00:35:26,280
appearance of movement could have

895
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:27,900
actually come back down to that Parallax

896
00:35:31,370 --> 00:35:29,400
effect idea and that it was actually the

897
00:35:32,990 --> 00:35:31,380
movement of the Reaper drone again it

898
00:35:34,370 --> 00:35:33,000
seems pretty telling that the object was

899
00:35:36,410 --> 00:35:34,380
followed they attempted to track and

900
00:35:38,089 --> 00:35:36,420
film it they wondered you know what this

901
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:38,099
object was this was something that was

902
00:35:41,750 --> 00:35:40,380
obviously of Interest we may never know

903
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:41,760
what it is though because once again it

904
00:35:45,050 --> 00:35:43,500
falls into that low information Zone we

905
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:45,060
don't have a whole lot of information to

906
00:35:48,230 --> 00:35:45,960
work with

907
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:48,240
the problem though there is and we saw

908
00:35:52,250 --> 00:35:51,000
this recently about a similar video uh

909
00:35:53,690 --> 00:35:52,260
well it wasn't really similar but

910
00:35:56,390 --> 00:35:53,700
another interesting video that appeared

911
00:35:58,130 --> 00:35:56,400
online it appears to show a for lack of

912
00:36:01,069 --> 00:35:58,140
a better term a saucer-like object

913
00:36:03,770 --> 00:36:01,079
flying toward them passing by the

914
00:36:05,150 --> 00:36:03,780
cockpit of an aircraft now I have only

915
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:05,160
begun to kind of look into this video

916
00:36:09,710 --> 00:36:08,040
there are conflicting stories about the

917
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:09,720
provenance of the video some say that

918
00:36:14,450 --> 00:36:12,720
this Colombian model Valentina who is

919
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:14,460
you know that she actually had filmed

920
00:36:17,810 --> 00:36:16,560
but then there's another story yeah

921
00:36:19,130 --> 00:36:17,820
again you know there's so much

922
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:19,140
information that still needs to be

923
00:36:24,109 --> 00:36:22,020
followed up on and determined about this

924
00:36:25,490 --> 00:36:24,119
um but nonetheless the general response

925
00:36:27,349 --> 00:36:25,500
I've seen to this video and the reason I

926
00:36:29,510 --> 00:36:27,359
bring it up is twofold one people just

927
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:29,520
ignore it well a lot of people on Tick

928
00:36:33,109 --> 00:36:30,960
Tock and social media they're going nuts

929
00:36:34,849 --> 00:36:33,119
and saying best UFO video ever but but

930
00:36:36,829 --> 00:36:34,859
again a lot of people who maybe would be

931
00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:36,839
capable of providing an intelligence and

932
00:36:40,910 --> 00:36:39,720
intelligent analysis of this

933
00:36:42,410 --> 00:36:40,920
um they just kind of look at it and go

934
00:36:44,030 --> 00:36:42,420
well you know it's probably a balloon

935
00:36:46,190 --> 00:36:44,040
and I don't any reason to look at it

936
00:36:47,569 --> 00:36:46,200
anymore deeply that or they just ignore

937
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:47,579
it all together I mean a lot of my

938
00:36:51,050 --> 00:36:49,980
fellows and you know in the UFO

939
00:36:52,370 --> 00:36:51,060
community

940
00:36:53,390 --> 00:36:52,380
they just I mean I bring it up and

941
00:36:55,670 --> 00:36:53,400
they're kind of like yeah you know

942
00:36:57,349 --> 00:36:55,680
whatever or they haven't seen it at all

943
00:37:00,530 --> 00:36:57,359
and then I show it to them they say ah

944
00:37:02,870 --> 00:37:00,540
whatever uh again just a very brief uh

945
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:02,880
look through the frames a frame by frame

946
00:37:08,089 --> 00:37:05,359
analysis appears to show the object

947
00:37:09,829 --> 00:37:08,099
moving through a cloud Bank in the

948
00:37:11,690 --> 00:37:09,839
distance which remains in the distance

949
00:37:13,670 --> 00:37:11,700
as the object appears to emerge from the

950
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:13,680
cloud bank and move in the direction of

951
00:37:18,170 --> 00:37:14,940
the aircraft

952
00:37:19,430 --> 00:37:18,180
so again my first feeling actually had

953
00:37:22,190 --> 00:37:19,440
just been that this was probably some

954
00:37:23,270 --> 00:37:22,200
sort of a CGI manipulation all right I

955
00:37:24,770 --> 00:37:23,280
don't think we can say the same thing

956
00:37:26,450 --> 00:37:24,780
about the object filmed over the Middle

957
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:26,460
East that Dr Kirkpatrick showed us that

958
00:37:29,810 --> 00:37:27,780
clearly seems to be an actual physical

959
00:37:31,670 --> 00:37:29,820
object but a very interesting point

960
00:37:33,770 --> 00:37:31,680
again that Midwest raised uh when he

961
00:37:35,870 --> 00:37:33,780
looked at the footage uh the you know

962
00:37:37,310 --> 00:37:35,880
the what was attributed to a Colombian

963
00:37:39,470 --> 00:37:37,320
model I think you discussed this a bit

964
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,480
on your program too which has been all

965
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:40,800
over the place on Tick Tock for anybody

966
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:43,440
who wants to go look Mick uh pointed out

967
00:37:48,650 --> 00:37:45,960
significantly he said it appears mostly

968
00:37:50,990 --> 00:37:48,660
or most likely to be a balloon or a

969
00:37:53,750 --> 00:37:51,000
balloon-like object which I found coming

970
00:37:55,250 --> 00:37:53,760
from a computer coder of his you know of

971
00:37:56,990 --> 00:37:55,260
his Merit and knowledge I mean I thought

972
00:37:58,370 --> 00:37:57,000
that was interesting that he leads with

973
00:38:00,109 --> 00:37:58,380
the idea that it seems to be a physical

974
00:38:02,210 --> 00:38:00,119
object and it certainly looks like one

975
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:02,220
it looks good it was mixed saying that

976
00:38:05,930 --> 00:38:04,320
actually that caused me to take a second

977
00:38:07,250 --> 00:38:05,940
look but again I saw a lot of others

978
00:38:09,109 --> 00:38:07,260
Mick didn't say this but a lot of people

979
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:09,119
said ah you know the object's just being

980
00:38:12,410 --> 00:38:11,040
still it's just hovering and it's the

981
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:12,420
plane that's moving that's what causes

982
00:38:16,490 --> 00:38:14,640
the appearance of motion well looking at

983
00:38:18,050 --> 00:38:16,500
the footage if it's a real object and I

984
00:38:19,730 --> 00:38:18,060
haven't ruled out I don't have the

985
00:38:20,870 --> 00:38:19,740
technical capabilities I don't know if

986
00:38:24,710 --> 00:38:20,880
anybody really does to really

987
00:38:26,810 --> 00:38:24,720
conclusively prove that it's not CGI but

988
00:38:28,190 --> 00:38:26,820
looking at the footage it does appear if

989
00:38:29,569 --> 00:38:28,200
it's a real object that it's moving in

990
00:38:30,829 --> 00:38:29,579
and out of that cloud bank and then

991
00:38:32,270 --> 00:38:30,839
extends out and then begins to move

992
00:38:34,609 --> 00:38:32,280
toward the aircraft

993
00:38:36,970 --> 00:38:34,619
accounting for compression artifacts

994
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,980
that are known to occur with smartphones

995
00:38:40,550 --> 00:38:39,359
accounting for the obvious fact that if

996
00:38:42,290 --> 00:38:40,560
this object is moving toward the

997
00:38:43,790 --> 00:38:42,300
aircraft the aircraft's moving toward it

998
00:38:45,230 --> 00:38:43,800
also and so that closing of the distance

999
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:45,240
with the two objects moving toward one

1000
00:38:48,710 --> 00:38:47,280
another superficially increases the

1001
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:48,720
appearance of the speed that the object

1002
00:38:53,990 --> 00:38:51,119
is moving as it passes the aircraft

1003
00:38:55,550 --> 00:38:54,000
taking all that into account if if one

1004
00:38:56,630 --> 00:38:55,560
thing can be demonstrated about that I

1005
00:38:58,310 --> 00:38:56,640
think that it seems to be that there's

1006
00:38:59,870 --> 00:38:58,320
an object that does move in and out of a

1007
00:39:01,750 --> 00:38:59,880
cloud bank which demonstrates motion

1008
00:39:03,950 --> 00:39:01,760
that it's not just remaining stationary

1009
00:39:06,170 --> 00:39:03,960
that was interesting to me and again I

1010
00:39:07,670 --> 00:39:06,180
got to thank Mick West for even raising

1011
00:39:09,770 --> 00:39:07,680
the idea that there might just be a

1012
00:39:11,210 --> 00:39:09,780
balloon-like object which is again for

1013
00:39:12,589 --> 00:39:11,220
now what I classified as it's a

1014
00:39:15,290 --> 00:39:12,599
balloon-like object that appeared to be

1015
00:39:16,970 --> 00:39:15,300
demonstrating motion not unlike what we

1016
00:39:19,130 --> 00:39:16,980
see in the footage that Dr Kirkpatrick

1017
00:39:20,750 --> 00:39:19,140
displayed the other day so my point is

1018
00:39:22,250 --> 00:39:20,760
even though these fall into the low

1019
00:39:23,870 --> 00:39:22,260
information Zone we shouldn't

1020
00:39:25,190 --> 00:39:23,880
necessarily say oh well we'll never

1021
00:39:26,569 --> 00:39:25,200
figure it out so we just shouldn't look

1022
00:39:29,630 --> 00:39:26,579
at it it's probably just this or that

1023
00:39:32,450 --> 00:39:29,640
remember the late great Stanton Friedman

1024
00:39:34,250 --> 00:39:32,460
saying science by proclamation you know

1025
00:39:36,109 --> 00:39:34,260
that's not what you do you don't

1026
00:39:38,510 --> 00:39:36,119
Proclaim well this is what that is

1027
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:38,520
therefore I I will not look at her or or

1028
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,440
I will look at it you know it's

1029
00:39:45,349 --> 00:39:42,660
important or it's not based on what I

1030
00:39:48,470 --> 00:39:45,359
prejudge no the true scientific process

1031
00:39:50,630 --> 00:39:48,480
involves uh taking an unbiased approach

1032
00:39:53,750 --> 00:39:50,640
trying to see what information you can

1033
00:39:55,910 --> 00:39:53,760
glean actually looking at the data uh

1034
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,920
being willing to go where the data takes

1035
00:40:00,290 --> 00:39:57,839
you and not letting it lead you where

1036
00:40:02,089 --> 00:40:00,300
you hope to go right those are important

1037
00:40:03,170 --> 00:40:02,099
tenets of the scientific method and I

1038
00:40:05,990 --> 00:40:03,180
think that again when we look at videos

1039
00:40:07,550 --> 00:40:06,000
like this they don't offer evidence of

1040
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:07,560
the extraordinary but maybe they do

1041
00:40:10,970 --> 00:40:09,240
deserve a second or even a third look

1042
00:40:13,310 --> 00:40:10,980
even if they do fall into that low

1043
00:40:15,589 --> 00:40:13,320
information Zone and so again I'm glad

1044
00:40:17,810 --> 00:40:15,599
Dr Kirkpatrick put this out I'm glad

1045
00:40:19,790 --> 00:40:17,820
it's now out there in the in the open in

1046
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:19,800
fact actually at the metabunk Forum the

1047
00:40:23,030 --> 00:40:21,599
other day or maybe even as recently as

1048
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:23,040
today I see that they've actually done

1049
00:40:27,770 --> 00:40:25,260
an image stable stabilization did you

1050
00:40:31,010 --> 00:40:27,780
see this of the object over the Middle

1051
00:40:32,210 --> 00:40:31,020
East so now we have a better look uh

1052
00:40:35,089 --> 00:40:32,220
thanks to the stabilization that the

1053
00:40:36,589 --> 00:40:35,099
folks on the Forum did of this object as

1054
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:36,599
it's passing over the Middle East we may

1055
00:40:41,270 --> 00:40:38,880
never know ultimately what that was but

1056
00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:41,280
it's an interesting piece of footage and

1057
00:40:46,010 --> 00:40:43,220
again it currently remains in the

1058
00:40:48,050 --> 00:40:46,020
unknowns in the unidentified camp for

1059
00:40:49,069 --> 00:40:48,060
arrows analysis which in itself is a bit

1060
00:40:52,370 --> 00:40:49,079
compelling

1061
00:40:54,950 --> 00:40:52,380
it is it is if it remains unexplained

1062
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:54,960
that's what we love to hear

1063
00:41:00,770 --> 00:40:57,780
um when in reality we should love when

1064
00:41:02,329 --> 00:41:00,780
it is explained but hey you know again I

1065
00:41:04,490 --> 00:41:02,339
I don't lead with with any kind of

1066
00:41:05,870 --> 00:41:04,500
expectations I'm not trying to say it's

1067
00:41:08,089 --> 00:41:05,880
aliens I'm not trying to be too

1068
00:41:09,290 --> 00:41:08,099
skeptical I try to balance those things

1069
00:41:10,670 --> 00:41:09,300
very carefully you know Michael

1070
00:41:13,069 --> 00:41:10,680
Huntington our good friend who's there

1071
00:41:14,870 --> 00:41:13,079
in the the chat chumming in as well and

1072
00:41:16,970 --> 00:41:14,880
I think Mike's definitely somebody who

1073
00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:16,980
who rides that fence in just the right

1074
00:41:21,349 --> 00:41:19,440
way you've got to be skeptical you got

1075
00:41:22,670 --> 00:41:21,359
to challenge your own beliefs but but

1076
00:41:25,490 --> 00:41:22,680
you also need to challenge your

1077
00:41:27,050 --> 00:41:25,500
preconceptions and biases uh and I think

1078
00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:27,060
that what we've learned especially from

1079
00:41:30,710 --> 00:41:29,280
these hearings in recent days is that

1080
00:41:32,810 --> 00:41:30,720
I'm seeing all this chatter online

1081
00:41:35,329 --> 00:41:32,820
everybody should probably take a step

1082
00:41:36,710 --> 00:41:35,339
back breathe and think about what we're

1083
00:41:39,010 --> 00:41:36,720
seeing I think we've seen some really

1084
00:41:42,050 --> 00:41:39,020
important information in recent days

1085
00:41:43,790 --> 00:41:42,060
absolutely man and kind of you know the

1086
00:41:46,910 --> 00:41:43,800
last thing I want to touch on with the

1087
00:41:49,370 --> 00:41:46,920
hearing was the conversation about the

1088
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:49,380
you know the Whistleblower legislation

1089
00:41:56,990 --> 00:41:52,200
that's been put into action uh but not

1090
00:41:59,630 --> 00:41:57,000
only that uh a a hub where people will

1091
00:42:01,670 --> 00:41:59,640
eventually be able to submit their

1092
00:42:03,349 --> 00:42:01,680
content to Arrow

1093
00:42:05,750 --> 00:42:03,359
um you know we've been waiting and

1094
00:42:08,089 --> 00:42:05,760
waiting for this to happen I mean I know

1095
00:42:10,250 --> 00:42:08,099
you and I know certain individuals who

1096
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:10,260
were brought in front of Arrow to

1097
00:42:14,690 --> 00:42:11,940
testify

1098
00:42:16,010 --> 00:42:14,700
um and said that it went amazing I spoke

1099
00:42:18,290 --> 00:42:16,020
to

1100
00:42:20,690 --> 00:42:18,300
um a gentleman we had on the show a few

1101
00:42:22,970 --> 00:42:20,700
months back Mario Woods who had a very

1102
00:42:25,089 --> 00:42:22,980
dramatic UFO sighting over a nuclear

1103
00:42:28,010 --> 00:42:25,099
installation and he was on the phone

1104
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:28,020
with members of arrow for over three and

1105
00:42:32,750 --> 00:42:30,599
a half hours which is incredible that

1106
00:42:35,450 --> 00:42:32,760
they would take that much time to hear

1107
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:35,460
him out just his testimony no photos no

1108
00:42:40,849 --> 00:42:38,099
videos no documentation just to hear

1109
00:42:42,650 --> 00:42:40,859
them out um which which I think is great

1110
00:42:45,770 --> 00:42:42,660
that they're willing to do that um we

1111
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:45,780
did hear that Kirkpatrick is you know

1112
00:42:52,310 --> 00:42:47,940
taking submissions

1113
00:42:55,310 --> 00:42:52,320
um however he submitted this to you know

1114
00:42:57,170 --> 00:42:55,320
the superiors that would eventually get

1115
00:42:59,329 --> 00:42:57,180
this thing going where people will be

1116
00:43:01,849 --> 00:42:59,339
able to submit their stuff to Arrow

1117
00:43:04,190 --> 00:43:01,859
um he submitted it before Christmas and

1118
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:04,200
they've yet to do anything with it so I

1119
00:43:07,490 --> 00:43:05,460
think we have to keep that in mind too

1120
00:43:10,069 --> 00:43:07,500
this isn't Kirkpatrick being like Oh

1121
00:43:13,250 --> 00:43:10,079
yeah I'll just go whip up a website over

1122
00:43:14,270 --> 00:43:13,260
on Angel Fire where you can go submit

1123
00:43:16,609 --> 00:43:14,280
your stuff

1124
00:43:19,550 --> 00:43:16,619
um that you know that there needs to be

1125
00:43:21,770 --> 00:43:19,560
protocols and stuff for stuff like this

1126
00:43:24,109 --> 00:43:21,780
um so what did you make of that whole

1127
00:43:25,609 --> 00:43:24,119
part of this you know we're hearing that

1128
00:43:27,349 --> 00:43:25,619
Arrow will eventually become a place

1129
00:43:30,290 --> 00:43:27,359
where you can

1130
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:30,300
um submit your content

1131
00:43:35,150 --> 00:43:33,540
um to be investigated possibly possibly

1132
00:43:37,190 --> 00:43:35,160
there's probably going to be a high

1133
00:43:39,290 --> 00:43:37,200
threshold of what they'll actually look

1134
00:43:40,730 --> 00:43:39,300
at but um yeah what'd you make of that

1135
00:43:42,470 --> 00:43:40,740
whole section of the hearing I found

1136
00:43:43,910 --> 00:43:42,480
that interesting yeah I found it

1137
00:43:46,250 --> 00:43:43,920
interesting too Ryan and you know again

1138
00:43:48,770 --> 00:43:46,260
it's it's hopeful we also know that

1139
00:43:50,329 --> 00:43:48,780
Arrow has already displayed I mean this

1140
00:43:53,270 --> 00:43:50,339
is always kind of part of what they

1141
00:43:55,550 --> 00:43:53,280
hoped to do Dr Kirkpatrick spoke fairly

1142
00:43:57,770 --> 00:43:55,560
at length about their science plan the

1143
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:57,780
other day but uh you know in addition to

1144
00:44:01,910 --> 00:43:59,760
having kind of an online portal where

1145
00:44:04,010 --> 00:44:01,920
people could submit what they deem to be

1146
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:04,020
reliable information about UAP that

1147
00:44:08,569 --> 00:44:05,760
might be of use to arrow and its

1148
00:44:10,609 --> 00:44:08,579
assessments I think that uh we also have

1149
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:10,619
to take it into consideration you know

1150
00:44:16,190 --> 00:44:13,560
some recent past events that have uh

1151
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,200
occurred for instance uh I think uh

1152
00:44:21,050 --> 00:44:18,480
right before he left Politico reporter

1153
00:44:22,790 --> 00:44:21,060
Brian Bender in one of his final maybe

1154
00:44:24,770 --> 00:44:22,800
actually his very last newsletter had

1155
00:44:27,170 --> 00:44:24,780
reported that Susan Goff had confirmed

1156
00:44:30,109 --> 00:44:27,180
that new york-based Enigma Labs was

1157
00:44:31,849 --> 00:44:30,119
going to be cooperating with arrow and

1158
00:44:33,950 --> 00:44:31,859
it seems pretty evident to me what the

1159
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,960
nature of that will involve based on

1160
00:44:38,569 --> 00:44:36,000
what Dr Kirkpatrick said during his

1161
00:44:41,569 --> 00:44:38,579
testimony the other day they are looking

1162
00:44:43,730 --> 00:44:41,579
at trying to Liaison with Academia and

1163
00:44:45,950 --> 00:44:43,740
with you know the private sector and

1164
00:44:49,730 --> 00:44:45,960
also uh you know with other agencies

1165
00:44:52,550 --> 00:44:49,740
like NASA right uh in the reference to

1166
00:44:55,550 --> 00:44:52,560
try and collect as much data as possible

1167
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,560
but uh they also for for instance we saw

1168
00:44:59,930 --> 00:44:57,119
this excellent paper that came out that

1169
00:45:02,390 --> 00:44:59,940
Dr Avi Loeb and Dr Kirkpatrick

1170
00:45:05,030 --> 00:45:02,400
co-authored uh physical constraints on

1171
00:45:06,829 --> 00:45:05,040
unidentified aerial phenomena and I had

1172
00:45:08,329 --> 00:45:06,839
uh Avion to talk about that the very

1173
00:45:10,069 --> 00:45:08,339
next day after the paper I think we're

1174
00:45:12,050 --> 00:45:10,079
still pre-print actually just shown up

1175
00:45:13,550 --> 00:45:12,060
online but the point is is that again

1176
00:45:15,230 --> 00:45:13,560
you know what arrow is demonstrating

1177
00:45:17,089 --> 00:45:15,240
with these kinds of activities is that

1178
00:45:19,990 --> 00:45:17,099
they are working toward

1179
00:45:23,089 --> 00:45:20,000
trying to create meaningful

1180
00:45:25,490 --> 00:45:23,099
scientific relationships that are

1181
00:45:28,910 --> 00:45:25,500
helping to facilitate the acquisition of

1182
00:45:31,370 --> 00:45:28,920
data that can thereby be used and then

1183
00:45:34,250 --> 00:45:31,380
can be presented in a you know

1184
00:45:36,109 --> 00:45:34,260
scientific I.E a paper or a study but in

1185
00:45:38,270 --> 00:45:36,119
a scientific format that undergoes peer

1186
00:45:40,370 --> 00:45:38,280
review and then can be made accessible

1187
00:45:41,569 --> 00:45:40,380
there's a whole lot more transparency

1188
00:45:43,550 --> 00:45:41,579
actually than I think a lot of people

1189
00:45:46,730 --> 00:45:43,560
expected I'm certainly surprised by what

1190
00:45:49,730 --> 00:45:46,740
I've seen so far and uh and and further

1191
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,740
to that point yeah Dr Kirkpatrick saying

1192
00:45:54,829 --> 00:45:51,599
yes we want to have this this online

1193
00:45:57,290 --> 00:45:54,839
median through which we can directly

1194
00:45:59,450 --> 00:45:57,300
um you know obtain information data from

1195
00:46:01,010 --> 00:45:59,460
people who want to submit it to us I

1196
00:46:02,150 --> 00:46:01,020
think that's excellent I think we need

1197
00:46:03,650 --> 00:46:02,160
more of that we've also had a lot of

1198
00:46:04,970 --> 00:46:03,660
Civilian agencies over the decades

1199
00:46:07,609 --> 00:46:04,980
who've been doing that already the

1200
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:07,619
National UFO Reporting Center up there

1201
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,300
in Washington formerly operated by

1202
00:46:13,309 --> 00:46:11,280
Robert Gribble but I mean for the last

1203
00:46:16,430 --> 00:46:13,319
several decades since the early 90s it's

1204
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:16,440
been operated by Peter Davenport who

1205
00:46:19,490 --> 00:46:18,000
just unfailingly is collected and

1206
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:19,500
provided that data free to the public

1207
00:46:23,210 --> 00:46:21,599
right there at the new Fork website you

1208
00:46:25,250 --> 00:46:23,220
know we've also gotten our cap I mean

1209
00:46:26,809 --> 00:46:25,260
David marler's New National UFO

1210
00:46:28,309 --> 00:46:26,819
historical records Center which I went

1211
00:46:32,089 --> 00:46:28,319
went out and actually visited earlier

1212
00:46:35,630 --> 00:46:32,099
this year I hope maybe that these sorts

1213
00:46:37,490 --> 00:46:35,640
of Civilian resources are things that

1214
00:46:40,490 --> 00:46:37,500
Arrow will also look at as being

1215
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:40,500
beneficial to their uh you know further

1216
00:46:46,609 --> 00:46:43,319
uh immersing themselves in information

1217
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:46,619
and also processing that data and that

1218
00:46:50,870 --> 00:46:48,540
that data as Kirkpatrick seemed to

1219
00:46:53,089 --> 00:46:50,880
convey the other day will be presented

1220
00:46:55,130 --> 00:46:53,099
in a scientific uh you know Forum or

1221
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:55,140
format it will undergo peer review and

1222
00:46:58,430 --> 00:46:56,640
be made available to what extent it can

1223
00:47:00,829 --> 00:46:58,440
be to the American people and to the

1224
00:47:02,569 --> 00:47:00,839
world because this stuff's important uh

1225
00:47:04,490 --> 00:47:02,579
so I was very glad to see that Ryan and

1226
00:47:05,990 --> 00:47:04,500
uh and it's another important component

1227
00:47:08,030 --> 00:47:06,000
I think now to The Whistleblower thing

1228
00:47:09,410 --> 00:47:08,040
you know I haven't spoken well yeah

1229
00:47:11,390 --> 00:47:09,420
actually I have spoken to a couple of

1230
00:47:13,010 --> 00:47:11,400
people like you mentioned uh who uh have

1231
00:47:14,809 --> 00:47:13,020
been pretty visible you know in the

1232
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:14,819
community already but who have also been

1233
00:47:18,950 --> 00:47:16,800
approached by arrow and who have

1234
00:47:21,170 --> 00:47:18,960
provided uh testimony

1235
00:47:22,910 --> 00:47:21,180
um I saw Robert Hastings writing earlier

1236
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:22,920
this year or late last year maybe but I

1237
00:47:27,609 --> 00:47:25,260
think it was earlier this year that he

1238
00:47:30,770 --> 00:47:27,619
had been contacted and basically asked

1239
00:47:32,569 --> 00:47:30,780
uh who the people he thinks uh Arrow

1240
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:32,579
should reach out to and speak with would

1241
00:47:37,069 --> 00:47:35,040
be uh and and he provided a list of

1242
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:37,079
recommendations

1243
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,640
um and we know that Arrow has spoken to

1244
00:47:42,109 --> 00:47:40,319
some of those people mostly former

1245
00:47:44,569 --> 00:47:42,119
Personnel military personnel and

1246
00:47:47,210 --> 00:47:44,579
government and employees who witnessed

1247
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:47,220
UAP incidents at strategic facilities

1248
00:47:51,290 --> 00:47:49,980
nuclear weapons sites things like that

1249
00:47:53,150 --> 00:47:51,300
um so I am glad that they're looking

1250
00:47:55,490 --> 00:47:53,160
into that I hope that that process

1251
00:47:57,410 --> 00:47:55,500
continues uh and that it doesn't you

1252
00:47:58,849 --> 00:47:57,420
know reach hurdles

1253
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:58,859
um and I've spoken with a few other

1254
00:48:02,210 --> 00:48:00,720
people in Washington who have at least

1255
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:02,220
some degree of awareness of how that

1256
00:48:05,870 --> 00:48:04,140
process is going and everything again at

1257
00:48:07,490 --> 00:48:05,880
the current moment sounds pretty

1258
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:07,500
promising I guess we'll kind of wait and

1259
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,200
see but I will point out finally one

1260
00:48:12,829 --> 00:48:11,280
thing that's kind of interesting that

1261
00:48:14,870 --> 00:48:12,839
some were pointing out on social media

1262
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:14,880
the other day was that

1263
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,819
um Dr Kirkpatrick has spoken to these

1264
00:48:21,710 --> 00:48:19,440
again presumably what we would call

1265
00:48:23,450 --> 00:48:21,720
whistleblowers and yet still says that

1266
00:48:24,530 --> 00:48:23,460
there's no evidence of anything exotic

1267
00:48:26,270 --> 00:48:24,540
and people are saying you know either

1268
00:48:28,430 --> 00:48:26,280
he's lying

1269
00:48:30,849 --> 00:48:28,440
or there just isn't any real information

1270
00:48:32,450 --> 00:48:30,859
that you know is evidential of

1271
00:48:33,950 --> 00:48:32,460
extraterrestrials you know we haven't

1272
00:48:35,150 --> 00:48:33,960
found the Roswell wreckage maybe there

1273
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:35,160
never was any

1274
00:48:40,370 --> 00:48:36,960
again I want to emphasize to people

1275
00:48:43,730 --> 00:48:40,380
first what would constitute unequivocal

1276
00:48:45,349 --> 00:48:43,740
evidence of extraterrestrial technology

1277
00:48:47,210 --> 00:48:45,359
I mean for instance if we see something

1278
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:47,220
strange that's moving what in what

1279
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:49,200
appears to be orbit in space and then

1280
00:48:52,370 --> 00:48:50,880
suddenly it just changes Direction and

1281
00:48:53,809 --> 00:48:52,380
we're like that that doesn't seem to be

1282
00:48:58,010 --> 00:48:53,819
a satellite

1283
00:49:00,890 --> 00:48:58,020
do we say therefore aliens right I mean

1284
00:49:03,890 --> 00:49:00,900
to me that is once again a bias that's a

1285
00:49:05,690 --> 00:49:03,900
pre-judgment or a presumption the first

1286
00:49:07,670 --> 00:49:05,700
judgment should be okay we just saw what

1287
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:07,680
appeared to be a technology passing

1288
00:49:12,470 --> 00:49:09,720
through low earth orbit and doing

1289
00:49:14,210 --> 00:49:12,480
seemingly anomalous things who on Earth

1290
00:49:15,710 --> 00:49:14,220
might have built that that should be the

1291
00:49:16,910 --> 00:49:15,720
first question because in the

1292
00:49:18,770 --> 00:49:16,920
furtherance of our understanding of

1293
00:49:20,210 --> 00:49:18,780
National Defense related issues we want

1294
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:20,220
to know if our enemy has something like

1295
00:49:26,089 --> 00:49:23,040
that my gosh probably one of the most

1296
00:49:27,770 --> 00:49:26,099
important uh relevant sections of the

1297
00:49:30,290 --> 00:49:27,780
hearing of the day was Dr Kirkpatrick

1298
00:49:33,770 --> 00:49:30,300
being asked I think by uh representative

1299
00:49:36,050 --> 00:49:33,780
Joni Ernst about the um potential that

1300
00:49:39,230 --> 00:49:36,060
China or Russia may have demonstrated

1301
00:49:41,390 --> 00:49:39,240
capabilities uh that have been you know

1302
00:49:43,849 --> 00:49:41,400
the arrow now has information about his

1303
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:43,859
evidence of UAP could some of these be

1304
00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:46,319
foreign technologies that point I think

1305
00:49:51,230 --> 00:49:48,540
you played it in the intro there where

1306
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,240
Dr Kirkpatrick says the adversary is not

1307
00:49:55,790 --> 00:49:54,000
waiting they are progressing they're

1308
00:49:57,950 --> 00:49:55,800
doing things that maybe we don't do

1309
00:49:59,690 --> 00:49:57,960
they're willing to to put it in layman's

1310
00:50:01,849 --> 00:49:59,700
terms they're willing to take the noodle

1311
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:01,859
and see if it's you know done or not

1312
00:50:05,270 --> 00:50:02,880
they're gonna throw it and see what

1313
00:50:07,069 --> 00:50:05,280
sticks on the wall okay whereas United

1314
00:50:08,450 --> 00:50:07,079
States government for whatever reason we

1315
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:08,460
don't this is the very reason what he's

1316
00:50:12,230 --> 00:50:09,599
talking about right there is the very

1317
00:50:14,210 --> 00:50:12,240
reason why China's hypersonics

1318
00:50:16,130 --> 00:50:14,220
development exceeds current U.S

1319
00:50:17,809 --> 00:50:16,140
capabilities and why suddenly the US has

1320
00:50:19,190 --> 00:50:17,819
realized well you know we've got our

1321
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:19,200
tails in the window we better get caught

1322
00:50:22,430 --> 00:50:20,640
up here because China's really

1323
00:50:24,650 --> 00:50:22,440
progressing with this stuff

1324
00:50:26,089 --> 00:50:24,660
this is what he's talking about and he's

1325
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:26,099
not just you know pulling that out of

1326
00:50:29,630 --> 00:50:28,079
the air I mean Dr Kirkpatrick is drawing

1327
00:50:31,790 --> 00:50:29,640
on his experience as an intelligence

1328
00:50:33,950 --> 00:50:31,800
official his past work with U.S spacecom

1329
00:50:36,050 --> 00:50:33,960
you know his past work and intelligence

1330
00:50:38,390 --> 00:50:36,060
you know and here he is now working on

1331
00:50:39,950 --> 00:50:38,400
the UAP situation he says we've only

1332
00:50:43,069 --> 00:50:39,960
moved through a very small portion of

1333
00:50:44,690 --> 00:50:43,079
our 650 so uh you know objects data set

1334
00:50:46,490 --> 00:50:44,700
we're just really getting into this

1335
00:50:48,109 --> 00:50:46,500
historical review that Congress mandated

1336
00:50:51,589 --> 00:50:48,119
that we do that goes all the way back to

1337
00:50:53,329 --> 00:50:51,599
1945. so when people are saying he's

1338
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:53,339
either lying

1339
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:55,380
again the UFO proponents many just take

1340
00:50:59,630 --> 00:50:57,720
it as his lying or the Skeptics on the

1341
00:51:01,010 --> 00:50:59,640
other hand saying C no evidence of

1342
00:51:03,829 --> 00:51:01,020
aliens

1343
00:51:05,870 --> 00:51:03,839
it's awful early to be making those uh

1344
00:51:07,490 --> 00:51:05,880
proclamations we really should wait and

1345
00:51:09,230 --> 00:51:07,500
see what happens and just to that point

1346
00:51:10,910 --> 00:51:09,240
again I've Illustrated a lot of things

1347
00:51:13,790 --> 00:51:10,920
the historical review that's going on

1348
00:51:16,010 --> 00:51:13,800
but let's also not forget about uh well

1349
00:51:17,750 --> 00:51:16,020
again of course the whistleblowers some

1350
00:51:19,549 --> 00:51:17,760
of that testimony once it's processed

1351
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:19,559
once all the individuals that they

1352
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:20,700
intend to interview have been

1353
00:51:24,530 --> 00:51:22,859
interviewed who knows if there's going

1354
00:51:26,030 --> 00:51:24,540
to be information about Legacy programs

1355
00:51:27,589 --> 00:51:26,040
and things like that that comes forward

1356
00:51:29,569 --> 00:51:27,599
and we really do learn some

1357
00:51:32,210 --> 00:51:29,579
extraordinary things in the years ahead

1358
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,220
but let's also not forget that Dr

1359
00:51:36,950 --> 00:51:33,839
Kirkpatrick is saying let me take care

1360
00:51:39,470 --> 00:51:36,960
of National Security First okay those

1361
00:51:41,569 --> 00:51:39,480
things we deem most important but then

1362
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,579
in the broader sum of all the data we're

1363
00:51:45,650 --> 00:51:43,680
collecting arrow is going to go where

1364
00:51:47,089 --> 00:51:45,660
the science leads and we will be

1365
00:51:48,589 --> 00:51:47,099
forthcoming with the public about that

1366
00:51:50,510 --> 00:51:48,599
that seems to be the mission and that to

1367
00:51:51,650 --> 00:51:50,520
me is very important final point because

1368
00:51:53,750 --> 00:51:51,660
I don't want to get too long in the

1369
00:51:56,870 --> 00:51:53,760
tooth here but I mean there had been

1370
00:51:58,370 --> 00:51:56,880
some in recent days saying you know

1371
00:52:00,049 --> 00:51:58,380
if there's no evidence of anything

1372
00:52:02,270 --> 00:52:00,059
anomalous if there's no clear evidence

1373
00:52:04,430 --> 00:52:02,280
of hyper acceleration and phenomenal

1374
00:52:06,829 --> 00:52:04,440
things happening then there's only one

1375
00:52:08,750 --> 00:52:06,839
real question why do we need an arrow

1376
00:52:11,569 --> 00:52:08,760
the reason why is exactly what Dr

1377
00:52:13,069 --> 00:52:11,579
Kirkpatrick said look at what our enemy

1378
00:52:15,230 --> 00:52:13,079
is doing look at what the adversaries

1379
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:15,240
the U.S are capable of and how quickly

1380
00:52:19,250 --> 00:52:17,220
they're advancing and if those

1381
00:52:21,170 --> 00:52:19,260
advancements currently are what we're

1382
00:52:23,569 --> 00:52:21,180
calling at least a part a portion of our

1383
00:52:25,549 --> 00:52:23,579
data set we're calling them UAP those

1384
00:52:26,809 --> 00:52:25,559
need to be looked at if arrow is the

1385
00:52:30,130 --> 00:52:26,819
office that's looking into those

1386
00:52:33,589 --> 00:52:30,140
anomalies we need an arrow

1387
00:52:34,990 --> 00:52:33,599
absolutely well we need an arrow but at

1388
00:52:38,089 --> 00:52:35,000
the same time

1389
00:52:40,609 --> 00:52:38,099
Kirkpatrick was even the one to say what

1390
00:52:42,829 --> 00:52:40,619
we're doing right now is so there won't

1391
00:52:45,530 --> 00:52:42,839
need to be an arrow yes in the future

1392
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:45,540
which I it took me a minute but I'm like

1393
00:52:52,510 --> 00:52:48,059
oh yeah that makes sense what they're

1394
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:52,520
doing is what heats earned SCP once we

1395
00:52:58,010 --> 00:52:55,680
analyze identify resolve what this thing

1396
00:53:01,190 --> 00:52:58,020
is it then becomes someone else's

1397
00:53:04,970 --> 00:53:01,200
problem it either goes to the Navy or it

1398
00:53:07,790 --> 00:53:04,980
goes to the CIA or it goes to NASA you

1399
00:53:08,510 --> 00:53:07,800
know he said if we are to find any of

1400
00:53:12,109 --> 00:53:08,520
this

1401
00:53:15,470 --> 00:53:12,119
is possibly extraterrestrial we then

1402
00:53:18,049 --> 00:53:15,480
bring in NASA and we begin to work with

1403
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:18,059
them they are the public face of what

1404
00:53:21,950 --> 00:53:19,200
presumably could be something

1405
00:53:24,049 --> 00:53:21,960
extraterrestrial it's not Arrow's job to

1406
00:53:25,790 --> 00:53:24,059
tell you there's aliens that's not what

1407
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:25,800
we were hired to do that's not what this

1408
00:53:30,710 --> 00:53:28,260
program is about first and foremost it's

1409
00:53:32,990 --> 00:53:30,720
to identify and to make sure National

1410
00:53:35,569 --> 00:53:33,000
Security is where it needs to be it's

1411
00:53:37,970 --> 00:53:35,579
clearly not we have objects floating all

1412
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:37,980
over the United States from China so

1413
00:53:43,730 --> 00:53:41,280
there's a problem an arrow is there to

1414
00:53:46,549 --> 00:53:43,740
mitigate that problem and help to try to

1415
00:53:48,770 --> 00:53:46,559
resolve it but for anyone to think that

1416
00:53:49,670 --> 00:53:48,780
Arrow was going to come out with

1417
00:53:55,609 --> 00:53:49,680
anything

1418
00:53:57,890 --> 00:53:55,619
hearing is um in my opinion like it's

1419
00:53:59,089 --> 00:53:57,900
utterly ridiculous to have made that

1420
00:54:01,130 --> 00:53:59,099
assumption

1421
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:01,140
um that's not what this is about I'm

1422
00:54:07,730 --> 00:54:05,280
sorry it's just not guys I I I I've been

1423
00:54:10,010 --> 00:54:07,740
skirting around that ever since you know

1424
00:54:13,490 --> 00:54:10,020
we heard that this hearing was gonna

1425
00:54:14,930 --> 00:54:13,500
happen we all knew that no crash

1426
00:54:16,309 --> 00:54:14,940
retrieval programs were going to be

1427
00:54:18,770 --> 00:54:16,319
talked about they weren't going to talk

1428
00:54:21,770 --> 00:54:18,780
about the dead aliens at Roswell we're

1429
00:54:23,569 --> 00:54:21,780
not there maybe maybe in the future we

1430
00:54:25,549 --> 00:54:23,579
will be like you said retroactively

1431
00:54:29,450 --> 00:54:25,559
they're going back to 40

1432
00:54:30,650 --> 00:54:29,460
um 45 even uh maybe something will

1433
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:30,660
happen with the Whistleblower

1434
00:54:34,490 --> 00:54:32,940
legislation however right now where

1435
00:54:36,770 --> 00:54:34,500
Arrow stands

1436
00:54:39,650 --> 00:54:36,780
um like you said we have to wait and see

1437
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,660
it's still the in its infancy

1438
00:54:44,990 --> 00:54:42,240
um and first and foremost National

1439
00:54:48,109 --> 00:54:45,000
Security comes first so very well said

1440
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:48,119
and listen again it very well may be the

1441
00:54:52,309 --> 00:54:49,920
case that in the broader scope of

1442
00:54:53,930 --> 00:54:52,319
Arrow's Mission they do find evidence of

1443
00:54:56,089 --> 00:54:53,940
something anomalous and maybe they'll

1444
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:56,099
come out and say you know what we didn't

1445
00:55:00,829 --> 00:54:57,780
expect to find this but we just looked

1446
00:55:02,450 --> 00:55:00,839
at it scientifically and uh we have

1447
00:55:04,190 --> 00:55:02,460
looked at this one instance this one

1448
00:55:05,750 --> 00:55:04,200
weird thing we found this one case from

1449
00:55:08,710 --> 00:55:05,760
2000 whatever

1450
00:55:12,109 --> 00:55:08,720
and man we can't find any other

1451
00:55:13,609 --> 00:55:12,119
explanatory model other than we see what

1452
00:55:15,170 --> 00:55:13,619
appears to be a spacecraft entering

1453
00:55:16,670 --> 00:55:15,180
Earth's atmosphere exiting Earth's

1454
00:55:19,130 --> 00:55:16,680
atmosphere and man we think it's alien

1455
00:55:20,930 --> 00:55:19,140
and and we got to report this to the

1456
00:55:22,430 --> 00:55:20,940
White House and to the American people I

1457
00:55:23,630 --> 00:55:22,440
mean here's what we think we have and

1458
00:55:27,049 --> 00:55:23,640
this is the best evidence we've ever

1459
00:55:28,609 --> 00:55:27,059
seen I mean it may we don't know but in

1460
00:55:30,470 --> 00:55:28,619
the eventual sense that kind of data

1461
00:55:32,150 --> 00:55:30,480
could come out of this and you know

1462
00:55:33,349 --> 00:55:32,160
again that's why I say folks wait and

1463
00:55:34,670 --> 00:55:33,359
see I know we hear a lot of that these

1464
00:55:36,109 --> 00:55:34,680
days wait and see big things coming

1465
00:55:37,790 --> 00:55:36,119
there's something around the corner it's

1466
00:55:39,650 --> 00:55:37,800
almost here folks just hold your breath

1467
00:55:41,690 --> 00:55:39,660
a little longer I don't buy all that

1468
00:55:43,730 --> 00:55:41,700
it's nonsense listen let's not get

1469
00:55:47,870 --> 00:55:43,740
Evangelical about things

1470
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:47,880
but let's give Arrow time Arrow may not

1471
00:55:53,690 --> 00:55:51,420
be the UAP investigative organization

1472
00:55:56,390 --> 00:55:53,700
that the UAP Community wants but it may

1473
00:55:59,089 --> 00:55:56,400
be the one we need

1474
00:56:00,710 --> 00:55:59,099
boom I that's we're ending we're

1475
00:56:03,230 --> 00:56:00,720
wrapping up the UAP hearing with that

1476
00:56:05,270 --> 00:56:03,240
man that was a perfect way to put it um

1477
00:56:07,849 --> 00:56:05,280
before we move on to our next story

1478
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:07,859
which is somewhat connected I do want to

1479
00:56:12,890 --> 00:56:10,740
play this very very brief clip um our

1480
00:56:15,410 --> 00:56:12,900
good buddy Dan Warren over at fifth

1481
00:56:17,870 --> 00:56:15,420
pillar of emphasis on Tick Tock actually

1482
00:56:19,309 --> 00:56:17,880
went to the hearing sat there you can

1483
00:56:20,390 --> 00:56:19,319
actually see him in the audience during

1484
00:56:22,370 --> 00:56:20,400
this

1485
00:56:25,609 --> 00:56:22,380
um and he got to speak to Senator

1486
00:56:26,930 --> 00:56:25,619
gillibrand directly after the hearing

1487
00:56:29,089 --> 00:56:26,940
um so I'm gonna go ahead and play that

1488
00:56:31,250 --> 00:56:29,099
clip very quickly and then we're going

1489
00:56:32,750 --> 00:56:31,260
to move on to our next uh story of the

1490
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:32,760
day sound good

1491
00:56:36,829 --> 00:56:35,160
cool how did you think the hearing went

1492
00:56:39,349 --> 00:56:36,839
today I think the hearing was very

1493
00:56:41,870 --> 00:56:39,359
helpful um I thought Dr Kirkpatrick

1494
00:56:43,730 --> 00:56:41,880
clearly laid out the scientific approach

1495
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:43,740
he's taking to all of the unidentified

1496
00:56:47,809 --> 00:56:45,599
area phenomena that he's had access to

1497
00:56:49,970 --> 00:56:47,819
he said he's had access to over 600

1498
00:56:51,950 --> 00:56:49,980
pieces of data whether it's video or

1499
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:51,960
radar or heat sensor he's going to

1500
00:56:55,549 --> 00:56:53,760
analyze it through a scientific method

1501
00:56:57,049 --> 00:56:55,559
with two teams he talked about his

1502
00:56:59,569 --> 00:56:57,059
scientific team he talked about his

1503
00:57:01,069 --> 00:56:59,579
Intel oriented team and how they do a

1504
00:57:02,569 --> 00:57:01,079
thorough review and if they disagree

1505
00:57:04,730 --> 00:57:02,579
then they adjudicate it I thought that's

1506
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:04,740
a great scientific method to actually

1507
00:57:09,410 --> 00:57:07,140
begin to identify this at the end of the

1508
00:57:11,809 --> 00:57:09,420
day if he's got 600 or so unidentified

1509
00:57:13,490 --> 00:57:11,819
AR phenomena he will bring it down to a

1510
00:57:15,790 --> 00:57:13,500
very small number of what is still

1511
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:15,800
unknown

1512
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:18,180
there we go guys there was Senator

1513
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:20,700
gillibrand thank you again to Dan Warren

1514
00:57:24,230 --> 00:57:21,960
um for fighting the good fight getting

1515
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:24,240
over there and doing his thing

1516
00:57:30,410 --> 00:57:27,420
um I thought the hearing was exactly

1517
00:57:31,970 --> 00:57:30,420
what we needed like Micah said so we're

1518
00:57:34,370 --> 00:57:31,980
gonna leave it there but we're gonna

1519
00:57:38,030 --> 00:57:34,380
move on to our next story here actually

1520
00:57:39,710 --> 00:57:38,040
that um happened just a couple days

1521
00:57:42,530 --> 00:57:39,720
after this

1522
00:57:46,069 --> 00:57:42,540
um so let me bring him back in there he

1523
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:46,079
is Micah let's move on to this story

1524
00:57:50,690 --> 00:57:48,260
that you wrote over at the debrief

1525
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:50,700
intelligence Community leaders meet at

1526
00:57:55,849 --> 00:57:53,280
Wright-Patterson for historic national

1527
00:57:58,970 --> 00:57:55,859
security briefing again this came days

1528
00:58:00,829 --> 00:57:58,980
after the UAP hearing um so let me read

1529
00:58:02,450 --> 00:58:00,839
this very quickly

1530
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:02,460
um on Thursday leaders from across the

1531
00:58:06,470 --> 00:58:04,020
U.S intelligence Community began

1532
00:58:08,270 --> 00:58:06,480
arriving in Ohio for unprecedented

1533
00:58:10,670 --> 00:58:08,280
national security briefing at

1534
00:58:12,410 --> 00:58:10,680
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base for

1535
00:58:13,730 --> 00:58:12,420
those of you don't know Wright-Patterson

1536
00:58:17,930 --> 00:58:13,740
is

1537
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:17,940
supposedly the wreckage from the Roswell

1538
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:19,740
UFO crash went

1539
00:58:25,069 --> 00:58:23,520
um it has a very rich history with UFOs

1540
00:58:26,809 --> 00:58:25,079
um among those in attendance at the

1541
00:58:29,809 --> 00:58:26,819
Friday briefing are Director of National

1542
00:58:32,809 --> 00:58:29,819
Intelligence Avril Haynes CIA director

1543
00:58:35,329 --> 00:58:32,819
William Burns and general Paul nakasone

1544
00:58:38,450 --> 00:58:35,339
director of the National Security Agency

1545
00:58:40,309 --> 00:58:38,460
and Central Security Service Chief

1546
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,319
several members of the House permanency

1547
00:58:45,770 --> 00:58:42,480
committee on intelligence many of whom

1548
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,780
are arriving are also scheduled to

1549
00:58:47,450 --> 00:58:46,799
attend

1550
00:58:50,329 --> 00:58:47,460
um

1551
00:58:53,270 --> 00:58:50,339
let's see here I want to read just this

1552
00:58:55,309 --> 00:58:53,280
one last part here Micah other topics

1553
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,319
receiving attention at the briefing will

1554
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,359
be the Chinese spy balloon that passed

1555
00:59:01,609 --> 00:58:59,520
over the U.S as well as the ongoing

1556
00:59:03,349 --> 00:59:01,619
conflict in Ukraine Each of which have

1557
00:59:05,750 --> 00:59:03,359
been among the National Security matters

1558
00:59:08,569 --> 00:59:05,760
discussed in classified documents that

1559
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:08,579
were recently leaked online

1560
00:59:14,030 --> 00:59:10,799
um by 21 year old Massachusetts Air

1561
00:59:17,089 --> 00:59:14,040
National Guard Airmen Jack Tech Sierra

1562
00:59:18,950 --> 00:59:17,099
who was arrested on April 13th on Monday

1563
00:59:21,589 --> 00:59:18,960
the Pentagon said that defense secretary

1564
00:59:23,930 --> 00:59:21,599
Lloyd Austin has tasked Ronald Moultrie

1565
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,940
who we know from the Congressional

1566
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:26,640
hearing on UAP under Secretary of

1567
00:59:33,170 --> 00:59:29,040
Defense to lead a comprehensive review

1568
00:59:35,870 --> 00:59:33,180
of DOD Security Programs policies and

1569
00:59:38,510 --> 00:59:35,880
procedures so unprecedented meeting

1570
00:59:41,089 --> 00:59:38,520
Micah um again this comes right on the

1571
00:59:44,569 --> 00:59:41,099
heels of the UAP hearing where clearly

1572
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:44,579
we're seeing a huge gap in National

1573
00:59:50,089 --> 00:59:46,980
Security and the way the Department of

1574
00:59:52,849 --> 00:59:50,099
Defense is handling things in our skies

1575
00:59:55,609 --> 00:59:52,859
going undetected so a lot of people want

1576
00:59:57,890 --> 00:59:55,619
to know does this meeting happening at

1577
01:00:00,710 --> 00:59:57,900
Wright-Patterson have anything to do

1578
01:00:02,390 --> 01:00:00,720
with UAP I stated the other reasons for

1579
01:00:04,910 --> 01:00:02,400
the meeting but what do you think man

1580
01:00:08,210 --> 01:00:04,920
what does this story mean and should we

1581
01:00:10,190 --> 01:00:08,220
be talking about it on a UFO podcast you

1582
01:00:12,770 --> 01:00:10,200
know I'll give credit to Tim McMillan

1583
01:00:14,750 --> 01:00:12,780
for bringing it to my attention early on

1584
01:00:16,789 --> 01:00:14,760
Friday and I did the principal

1585
01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:16,799
authorship of the article there uh but

1586
01:00:19,789 --> 01:00:18,960
uh he and I got that out together that

1587
01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:19,799
said

1588
01:00:24,349 --> 01:00:22,200
um you know at that time I think it had

1589
01:00:27,349 --> 01:00:24,359
primarily only been really reported by

1590
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:27,359
local Ohio news outlets and the rest of

1591
01:00:32,569 --> 01:00:30,480
the the media kind of latched on to this

1592
01:00:34,789 --> 01:00:32,579
um I found it very interesting I don't

1593
01:00:37,130 --> 01:00:34,799
suppose that there's necessarily any

1594
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:37,140
kind of a connection all I can really

1595
01:00:42,530 --> 01:00:39,720
kind of say is that connection or not

1596
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,540
I mean there are a lot of um interesting

1597
01:00:46,130 --> 01:00:44,160
developments going on right now now

1598
01:00:48,049 --> 01:00:46,140
again

1599
01:00:49,730 --> 01:00:48,059
specifically the fact that within one

1600
01:00:50,930 --> 01:00:49,740
week you know we have I mean all the

1601
01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:50,940
primary like you mentioned again

1602
01:00:55,670 --> 01:00:52,740
Director of National Intelligence Avril

1603
01:00:57,650 --> 01:00:55,680
Haynes CIA director William Burns uh

1604
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:57,660
Paul mcason you know Director of

1605
01:01:01,970 --> 01:00:59,880
National Security Agency uh and uh

1606
01:01:04,190 --> 01:01:01,980
Central Security uh Service uh Chief I

1607
01:01:05,930 --> 01:01:04,200
believe but uh all that happening you

1608
01:01:07,370 --> 01:01:05,940
know at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base

1609
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:07,380
within the same week that we had a

1610
01:01:11,030 --> 01:01:09,540
senate hearing on UAP it got a lot of

1611
01:01:13,490 --> 01:01:11,040
people wondering I don't suppose that

1612
01:01:15,230 --> 01:01:13,500
there is necessarily a connection but

1613
01:01:16,910 --> 01:01:15,240
you won't you know we shouldn't rule

1614
01:01:18,890 --> 01:01:16,920
anything out keeping in mind that right

1615
01:01:21,289 --> 01:01:18,900
Patterson Air Force Base it has this

1616
01:01:24,410 --> 01:01:21,299
historic importance with relation to the

1617
01:01:26,390 --> 01:01:24,420
UAP topic again Wright-Patterson Air

1618
01:01:28,250 --> 01:01:26,400
Force Base was essentially where the the

1619
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:28,260
longest running systematic scientific

1620
01:01:33,470 --> 01:01:32,160
study by an in a military uh body U.S or

1621
01:01:35,030 --> 01:01:33,480
otherwise has ever been carried out

1622
01:01:37,549 --> 01:01:35,040
that's where that took place and that

1623
01:01:40,690 --> 01:01:37,559
was Project Blue Book which operated I

1624
01:01:44,030 --> 01:01:40,700
guess from mid to late maybe 1952 until

1625
01:01:46,010 --> 01:01:44,040
uh 1969 but I mean it had the two

1626
01:01:47,809 --> 01:01:46,020
predecessors too a project sign and

1627
01:01:49,430 --> 01:01:47,819
project Grudge

1628
01:01:51,829 --> 01:01:49,440
um and in fact Project Blue Book early

1629
01:01:53,510 --> 01:01:51,839
on if you read uh Edward J rupelt's book

1630
01:01:56,210 --> 01:01:53,520
the report on unidentified flying

1631
01:01:57,950 --> 01:01:56,220
objects he uh initially refers to

1632
01:02:00,470 --> 01:01:57,960
Project Blue Book as the new project

1633
01:02:02,270 --> 01:02:00,480
Grudge in that book

1634
01:02:03,410 --> 01:02:02,280
um but the point is is that that's kind

1635
01:02:05,089 --> 01:02:03,420
of the historic importance of

1636
01:02:07,370 --> 01:02:05,099
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and it's

1637
01:02:09,430 --> 01:02:07,380
played into the mythology surrounding

1638
01:02:13,030 --> 01:02:09,440
the UFO subject pretty heavily

1639
01:02:15,470 --> 01:02:13,040
including the idea that wreckage from

1640
01:02:19,430 --> 01:02:15,480
Acquisitions maybe the likes of Roswell

1641
01:02:21,470 --> 01:02:19,440
might have been taken to write Pat again

1642
01:02:24,770 --> 01:02:21,480
you know that's stuff that to me

1643
01:02:26,510 --> 01:02:24,780
obviously there's some truth to uh these

1644
01:02:28,789 --> 01:02:26,520
historical matters in the broader

1645
01:02:31,789 --> 01:02:28,799
spectrum of ufology but I think there's

1646
01:02:33,950 --> 01:02:31,799
also a layer of mythologization that

1647
01:02:36,890 --> 01:02:33,960
kind of ends up being kind of piled onto

1648
01:02:39,710 --> 01:02:36,900
that and a possibly valid incident

1649
01:02:42,410 --> 01:02:39,720
involving possibly you know the recovery

1650
01:02:44,510 --> 01:02:42,420
of something of significance been a lot

1651
01:02:45,890 --> 01:02:44,520
of speculation about what Roswell

1652
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:45,900
actually represented the official

1653
01:02:49,609 --> 01:02:47,280
explanation of course that we know is

1654
01:02:51,589 --> 01:02:49,619
the Mogul balloons but there have been

1655
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:51,599
some you know some reasonable challenges

1656
01:02:53,809 --> 01:02:52,920
I think I think it's actually very fair

1657
01:02:55,190 --> 01:02:53,819
to say that there have been some

1658
01:02:56,990 --> 01:02:55,200
reasonable challenges to the Mogul

1659
01:02:58,789 --> 01:02:57,000
narrative that have been presented by

1660
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:58,799
certain researchers like Brad Sparks

1661
01:03:02,930 --> 01:03:01,020
Kevin Randall and others

1662
01:03:04,789 --> 01:03:02,940
um and I myself just telling you that

1663
01:03:06,650 --> 01:03:04,799
I've gone through the uh reports there

1664
01:03:09,890 --> 01:03:06,660
were two actually in the 1990s that uh

1665
01:03:12,230 --> 01:03:09,900
the U.S Air Force uh released because at

1666
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:12,240
that time widespread public interest uh

1667
01:03:16,490 --> 01:03:14,700
had prompted congressmen and women to

1668
01:03:17,990 --> 01:03:16,500
appeal to the Air Force and say you know

1669
01:03:19,430 --> 01:03:18,000
we want you to reinvestigate Roswell

1670
01:03:21,530 --> 01:03:19,440
tell us what you know

1671
01:03:24,109 --> 01:03:21,540
so there was that report that was put

1672
01:03:26,569 --> 01:03:24,119
out Roswell case closed I think John

1673
01:03:28,250 --> 01:03:26,579
Greenwald uh and I have said this in

1674
01:03:30,710 --> 01:03:28,260
agreement that uh

1675
01:03:33,230 --> 01:03:30,720
there are a lot of things in the report

1676
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:33,240
that don't quite Jive you know there are

1677
01:03:36,230 --> 01:03:35,040
a lot of loose ends with things and it

1678
01:03:37,490 --> 01:03:36,240
just kind of seemed like the Air Force

1679
01:03:39,230 --> 01:03:37,500
was throwing everything that they could

1680
01:03:40,490 --> 01:03:39,240
at the story

1681
01:03:42,950 --> 01:03:40,500
um and fundamentally it comes down to

1682
01:03:44,270 --> 01:03:42,960
one thing you know they said it was a

1683
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:44,280
flying disc then they changed the story

1684
01:03:46,609 --> 01:03:45,540
and said it was a weather balloon right

1685
01:03:48,170 --> 01:03:46,619
then they changed the story again

1686
01:03:49,789 --> 01:03:48,180
decades later and said it was a mogul

1687
01:03:51,230 --> 01:03:49,799
balloon because that was a classified

1688
01:03:53,470 --> 01:03:51,240
project at the time that we couldn't

1689
01:03:55,910 --> 01:03:53,480
tell you about it so we had to lie guys

1690
01:03:57,650 --> 01:03:55,920
they changed the story what three times

1691
01:04:00,410 --> 01:03:57,660
how do we know they aren't lying this

1692
01:04:01,609 --> 01:04:00,420
time right that's the problem and again

1693
01:04:03,710 --> 01:04:01,619
although

1694
01:04:05,630 --> 01:04:03,720
as a matter of philosophy

1695
01:04:07,849 --> 01:04:05,640
I never think that an argument should

1696
01:04:10,130 --> 01:04:07,859
appeal to conspiracy

1697
01:04:13,010 --> 01:04:10,140
there are instances where I think it's

1698
01:04:15,230 --> 01:04:13,020
not wrong for people to be suspicious of

1699
01:04:16,730 --> 01:04:15,240
our government there are instances and

1700
01:04:18,109 --> 01:04:16,740
I'm actually more of a Roswell skeptic

1701
01:04:19,970 --> 01:04:18,119
I'll mind you I'm not really one of

1702
01:04:22,069 --> 01:04:19,980
those you know all in on it being a

1703
01:04:23,450 --> 01:04:22,079
crash records retrieval but I don't

1704
01:04:24,770 --> 01:04:23,460
think that the American people are wrong

1705
01:04:27,650 --> 01:04:24,780
to be suspicious of our government

1706
01:04:30,049 --> 01:04:27,660
because you know what sad truth is they

1707
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,059
do lie to us they lie to us a lot they

1708
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:32,640
lie a whole lot and we have come to

1709
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:35,460
expect that and so people naturally lead

1710
01:04:39,470 --> 01:04:38,040
with those kinds of suspicions and again

1711
01:04:41,150 --> 01:04:39,480
when the government gets all burned out

1712
01:04:43,430 --> 01:04:41,160
and says a bunch of conspiracy theorists

1713
01:04:45,170 --> 01:04:43,440
cooking up nonsense you know what

1714
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:45,180
I made you you made me first remember

1715
01:04:49,130 --> 01:04:46,980
from the first Batman movie Batman's

1716
01:04:50,809 --> 01:04:49,140
holding the Joker and everything yeah I

1717
01:04:52,609 --> 01:04:50,819
don't like that it's like you know you

1718
01:04:53,930 --> 01:04:52,619
guys you're calling us conspiracy

1719
01:04:56,630 --> 01:04:53,940
theorists but you're the ones that lied

1720
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,640
to us all right you made us that way so

1721
01:05:00,530 --> 01:04:58,319
we shouldn't necessarily leave with

1722
01:05:02,329 --> 01:05:00,540
conspiracy but there are times where a

1723
01:05:05,270 --> 01:05:02,339
little bit of conspiratorial thinking

1724
01:05:06,589 --> 01:05:05,280
may be oriented given the way that we've

1725
01:05:07,910 --> 01:05:06,599
been treated in the past and the kind of

1726
01:05:08,690 --> 01:05:07,920
information we've been given now that

1727
01:05:11,210 --> 01:05:08,700
said

1728
01:05:13,069 --> 01:05:11,220
Wright-Patterson Air Force Base I'm not

1729
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:13,079
making any kind of conspiratorial claim

1730
01:05:15,890 --> 01:05:14,520
that that's the reason for the meeting

1731
01:05:17,870 --> 01:05:15,900
that occurred the other day but I mean

1732
01:05:19,789 --> 01:05:17,880
with everything I just talked about the

1733
01:05:21,829 --> 01:05:19,799
history and with people's General

1734
01:05:23,809 --> 01:05:21,839
distrust especially for the intelligence

1735
01:05:25,069 --> 01:05:23,819
Community right with the government

1736
01:05:27,109 --> 01:05:25,079
we're here to help you these three

1737
01:05:28,250 --> 01:05:27,119
letter agencies men in black suits show

1738
01:05:31,549 --> 01:05:28,260
up on your front door and you're always

1739
01:05:33,890 --> 01:05:31,559
glad to see them right no no you're not

1740
01:05:35,809 --> 01:05:33,900
I mean people naturally get suspicious

1741
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:35,819
what do I really think this may have to

1742
01:05:39,710 --> 01:05:37,920
do with though Ryan I mean in recent

1743
01:05:41,150 --> 01:05:39,720
days we of course had this situation and

1744
01:05:43,609 --> 01:05:41,160
that's what we reported on in our

1745
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:43,619
debrief article this young Massachusetts

1746
01:05:48,170 --> 01:05:45,960
Air National Guardsman 21 years old

1747
01:05:50,809 --> 01:05:48,180
member of a Discord chat releases highly

1748
01:05:52,609 --> 01:05:50,819
sensitive documents online classified

1749
01:05:54,890 --> 01:05:52,619
documents that are potentially damaging

1750
01:05:56,990 --> 01:05:54,900
to the U.S interest and also potentially

1751
01:05:58,970 --> 01:05:57,000
to our allies or at very least damaging

1752
01:06:00,770 --> 01:05:58,980
in terms of the way the U.S looks to

1753
01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:00,780
some of our allies and of course could

1754
01:06:04,549 --> 01:06:02,760
potentially also provide some Vital

1755
01:06:06,829 --> 01:06:04,559
Information to for an average series

1756
01:06:08,390 --> 01:06:06,839
it's not the kind of thing you want and

1757
01:06:10,609 --> 01:06:08,400
when it becomes evident to the United

1758
01:06:12,530 --> 01:06:10,619
States government that one of the most

1759
01:06:14,450 --> 01:06:12,540
significant classified leagues at least

1760
01:06:16,130 --> 01:06:14,460
in the last few years has recently

1761
01:06:18,770 --> 01:06:16,140
occurred as a result of a 21 year old

1762
01:06:21,049 --> 01:06:18,780
Air National Guardsman who was sharing

1763
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:21,059
documents right like they were potato

1764
01:06:24,470 --> 01:06:23,040
chips or something in a Discord chat

1765
01:06:26,510 --> 01:06:24,480
with his buddies

1766
01:06:27,650 --> 01:06:26,520
yeah I bet intelligence officials are

1767
01:06:30,589 --> 01:06:27,660
going to be going up there and meeting

1768
01:06:32,809 --> 01:06:30,599
one of the most significant Air Force uh

1769
01:06:35,150 --> 01:06:32,819
installations in the country to have a

1770
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,160
real serious talk about uh the

1771
01:06:39,589 --> 01:06:36,960
management of our information and

1772
01:06:41,510 --> 01:06:39,599
government yeah I'm sure they are

1773
01:06:44,990 --> 01:06:41,520
well and you know everyone's joking

1774
01:06:47,930 --> 01:06:45,000
they're like come on 21 year old you you

1775
01:06:50,870 --> 01:06:47,940
got that stuff leaked out there but not

1776
01:06:52,490 --> 01:06:50,880
the UFO stuff come on man you had the

1777
01:06:54,609 --> 01:06:52,500
chance you had the chance there's

1778
01:06:57,170 --> 01:06:54,619
something about Snowden you know I mean

1779
01:06:59,809 --> 01:06:57,180
yeah the community of these you know

1780
01:07:00,410 --> 01:06:59,819
leaks and again

1781
01:07:02,510 --> 01:07:00,420
um

1782
01:07:04,130 --> 01:07:02,520
where I stand on this again is that I

1783
01:07:05,329 --> 01:07:04,140
think that there is unnecessary secrecy

1784
01:07:07,730 --> 01:07:05,339
in government and I think that there's

1785
01:07:09,890 --> 01:07:07,740
necessary secrecy and I think that

1786
01:07:12,349 --> 01:07:09,900
sometimes there are instances where a

1787
01:07:15,470 --> 01:07:12,359
whistleblower performs a very necessary

1788
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:15,480
function uh in terms of transparency

1789
01:07:20,750 --> 01:07:18,599
openness Freedom Liberty all those kinds

1790
01:07:22,069 --> 01:07:20,760
of things there are also instances where

1791
01:07:25,069 --> 01:07:22,079
the release of classified information

1792
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,079
can be incredibly hurtful damaging not

1793
01:07:29,210 --> 01:07:27,599
just in terms of embarrassment it may

1794
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:29,220
cause to agencies I mean I'm talking

1795
01:07:34,150 --> 01:07:31,380
about the release of the in names of of

1796
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,160
individuals their locations their jobs

1797
01:07:38,809 --> 01:07:36,960
you know stuff that could endanger

1798
01:07:40,130 --> 01:07:38,819
American lives and that's the kind of

1799
01:07:42,410 --> 01:07:40,140
stuff that you don't want getting out

1800
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:42,420
and so it's a fine line

1801
01:07:45,109 --> 01:07:43,740
trying to manage that whole

1802
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:45,119
whistleblower thing which really kind of

1803
01:07:49,069 --> 01:07:46,559
comes back to our previous conversation

1804
01:07:50,510 --> 01:07:49,079
and arrows efforts right now to try and

1805
01:07:52,549 --> 01:07:50,520
talk with people who may have knowledge

1806
01:07:53,990 --> 01:07:52,559
about things from within government and

1807
01:07:56,329 --> 01:07:54,000
testimony they may be able to provide

1808
01:07:57,950 --> 01:07:56,339
and also the necessary protections for

1809
01:07:59,809 --> 01:07:57,960
those individuals if they were parts of

1810
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:59,819
special access programs or things in the

1811
01:08:03,289 --> 01:08:01,920
past that previously would have you know

1812
01:08:06,410 --> 01:08:03,299
prohibited them from coming forward

1813
01:08:09,049 --> 01:08:06,420
under law we have to always be mindful

1814
01:08:10,549 --> 01:08:09,059
of the very careful Dynamic the fine

1815
01:08:12,529 --> 01:08:10,559
line between the necessary and the

1816
01:08:14,630 --> 01:08:12,539
unnecessary secrecy because those are

1817
01:08:16,430 --> 01:08:14,640
fundamental elements of really a free

1818
01:08:18,430 --> 01:08:16,440
society and really the role that we as

1819
01:08:22,010 --> 01:08:18,440
journalists play in that too

1820
01:08:24,110 --> 01:08:22,020
absolutely yep I I think that sums up

1821
01:08:26,470 --> 01:08:24,120
this story pretty well man

1822
01:08:29,510 --> 01:08:26,480
um when there's over classification and

1823
01:08:31,249 --> 01:08:29,520
non-transparency that's when leaks

1824
01:08:33,410 --> 01:08:31,259
happen that's when whistleblowers come

1825
01:08:35,570 --> 01:08:33,420
forward it's a natural process of our

1826
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:35,580
kind of way we've set things up in

1827
01:08:41,150 --> 01:08:38,520
America so I mean you know while we we

1828
01:08:43,550 --> 01:08:41,160
can hope for leaks at times sometimes

1829
01:08:45,530 --> 01:08:43,560
they can be extremely dangerous so there

1830
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:45,540
has to be a process and I think that

1831
01:08:50,450 --> 01:08:47,400
whistleblower legislation is a good

1832
01:08:53,450 --> 01:08:50,460
example of how it will be done properly

1833
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:53,460
and safely so I think if anything that's

1834
01:08:57,890 --> 01:08:56,040
how we could tie it into that story

1835
01:09:01,130 --> 01:08:57,900
um I I see in the chat a lot of people

1836
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:01,140
are talking about this cattle mutilation

1837
01:09:05,329 --> 01:09:03,359
story we got it that's on the list guys

1838
01:09:07,370 --> 01:09:05,339
we have a lot to talk about with that um

1839
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:07,380
but there's there's one quick story I

1840
01:09:11,390 --> 01:09:09,359
want to talk about before that Micah um

1841
01:09:12,769 --> 01:09:11,400
this one's really interesting and it

1842
01:09:16,010 --> 01:09:12,779
does somewhat connect to some work

1843
01:09:18,709 --> 01:09:16,020
you've done in the past and that's um AI

1844
01:09:21,530 --> 01:09:18,719
uh this is a story over a big think and

1845
01:09:24,410 --> 01:09:21,540
it was called why aliens let me pull

1846
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:24,420
this up here I've got it um there it is

1847
01:09:29,390 --> 01:09:27,000
why aliens will likely be artificial

1848
01:09:31,490 --> 01:09:29,400
intelligence

1849
01:09:34,490 --> 01:09:31,500
um so this article kind of argues that

1850
01:09:36,590 --> 01:09:34,500
advanced civilizations will require AI

1851
01:09:39,590 --> 01:09:36,600
that goes not just for us but for anyone

1852
01:09:41,570 --> 01:09:39,600
out there who is likely to visit us even

1853
01:09:43,610 --> 01:09:41,580
though most movies about aliens depict

1854
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:43,620
biological creatures arriving to Earth

1855
01:09:48,530 --> 01:09:46,560
this is unlikely to happen Crossing

1856
01:09:50,390 --> 01:09:48,540
Interstellar space would take them a

1857
01:09:52,610 --> 01:09:50,400
very long time so much time that it

1858
01:09:56,570 --> 01:09:52,620
makes a little sense to send short-lived

1859
01:09:58,850 --> 01:09:56,580
perishable organic bodies consider the

1860
01:10:00,650 --> 01:09:58,860
realities of interstellar travel to

1861
01:10:01,750 --> 01:10:00,660
reach other solar systems current

1862
01:10:06,050 --> 01:10:01,760
thinking

1863
01:10:07,610 --> 01:10:06,060
need to build light cells that can reach

1864
01:10:10,070 --> 01:10:07,620
maybe 10 percent of the speed of light

1865
01:10:12,950 --> 01:10:10,080
that gets us to Alpha Centauri in 40

1866
01:10:16,910 --> 01:10:12,960
years or so in entire adult human

1867
01:10:20,090 --> 01:10:16,920
lifespan and that's just one way

1868
01:10:22,669 --> 01:10:20,100
um the likely solution is artificial

1869
01:10:24,530 --> 01:10:22,679
intelligence and artificial bodies that

1870
01:10:26,689 --> 01:10:24,540
could better withstand figures of space

1871
01:10:29,630 --> 01:10:26,699
travel for that reason we shouldn't

1872
01:10:31,370 --> 01:10:29,640
expect visiting aliens to be organic

1873
01:10:35,149 --> 01:10:31,380
creatures

1874
01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:35,159
um the article also mentions futurists

1875
01:10:40,550 --> 01:10:37,560
who um took it a step further and

1876
01:10:43,850 --> 01:10:40,560
envisioned in in mortality road map

1877
01:10:46,490 --> 01:10:43,860
using AI to digitally reconstruct people

1878
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:46,500
the AI would take DNA and other

1879
01:10:51,110 --> 01:10:48,239
information from a recently deceased

1880
01:10:52,910 --> 01:10:51,120
person and reconstruct them in a

1881
01:10:53,689 --> 01:10:52,920
simulated World

1882
01:10:55,669 --> 01:10:53,699
um

1883
01:10:57,530 --> 01:10:55,679
this one kind of went over my head man

1884
01:10:59,990 --> 01:10:57,540
I'm not gonna lie the whole AI

1885
01:11:02,630 --> 01:11:00,000
conversation is happening before our

1886
01:11:06,290 --> 01:11:02,640
very eyes every day it's moving so

1887
01:11:09,410 --> 01:11:06,300
rapidly it's um it's scary it's exciting

1888
01:11:11,209 --> 01:11:09,420
there's many Pros there's many cons

1889
01:11:13,550 --> 01:11:11,219
um but AI is at the Forefront of the

1890
01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:13,560
conversation right now when it comes to

1891
01:11:19,250 --> 01:11:16,860
everything technologically I know it's a

1892
01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:19,260
huge huge talking point over at the

1893
01:11:22,310 --> 01:11:21,120
debrief and a lot of the Articles going

1894
01:11:24,590 --> 01:11:22,320
on over there

1895
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,600
um but the reason the real reason I

1896
01:11:28,729 --> 01:11:26,159
wanted to talk about this article is

1897
01:11:30,530 --> 01:11:28,739
because you wrote a book in the past one

1898
01:11:32,330 --> 01:11:30,540
of the first books I ever read on UFOs

1899
01:11:34,910 --> 01:11:32,340
and one of the first books I ever got

1900
01:11:37,490 --> 01:11:34,920
autographed by you and that was uh the

1901
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:37,500
UFO Singularity where you actually

1902
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:40,140
talked about a lot of this stuff and

1903
01:11:44,149 --> 01:11:42,360
possible connections between artificial

1904
01:11:47,149 --> 01:11:44,159
intelligence the quote unquote

1905
01:11:50,149 --> 01:11:47,159
Singularity and UFOs so what do you

1906
01:11:52,490 --> 01:11:50,159
think of this concept that if we are to

1907
01:11:55,790 --> 01:11:52,500
ever find alien life

1908
01:11:58,310 --> 01:11:55,800
um if it ever travels he here it's most

1909
01:12:00,590 --> 01:11:58,320
likely not going to be quote-unquote

1910
01:12:02,330 --> 01:12:00,600
biological but artificial intelligence

1911
01:12:04,310 --> 01:12:02,340
what do you make of this whole thing

1912
01:12:05,810 --> 01:12:04,320
yeah it's a really interesting Prospect

1913
01:12:08,149 --> 01:12:05,820
I'm glad everybody else is finally

1914
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,159
getting caught up huh finally you were

1915
01:12:12,290 --> 01:12:10,080
way ahead of the times man

1916
01:12:14,090 --> 01:12:12,300
you know um to the credit of my

1917
01:12:17,330 --> 01:12:14,100
Publishers at that time you know I I'd

1918
01:12:19,490 --> 01:12:17,340
wanted to write a much broader book to

1919
01:12:21,950 --> 01:12:19,500
kind of analyze the current state of the

1920
01:12:24,169 --> 01:12:21,960
UAP issue and I was calling them UAP I

1921
01:12:26,810 --> 01:12:24,179
mean back at least as early as 2015

1922
01:12:28,669 --> 01:12:26,820
there's an article on my website Mike

1923
01:12:30,410 --> 01:12:28,679
angst.com but I mean I think even

1924
01:12:32,390 --> 01:12:30,420
earlier than that I've gone back and

1925
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:32,400
looked at articles where I would at

1926
01:12:37,250 --> 01:12:34,920
times refer to you know UAP and also

1927
01:12:38,870 --> 01:12:37,260
sometimes still UFO you and I've had

1928
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:38,880
this conversation we kind of

1929
01:12:41,510 --> 01:12:40,080
interchangeably use them at different

1930
01:12:43,370 --> 01:12:41,520
times generally what I'll do is I'll say

1931
01:12:45,950 --> 01:12:43,380
UAP if I'm talking about stuff happening

1932
01:12:48,350 --> 01:12:45,960
right now if I'm referring to historical

1933
01:12:51,229 --> 01:12:48,360
incidents in cases I may use UFO right

1934
01:12:52,189 --> 01:12:51,239
all kind of the same thing in truth now

1935
01:12:56,930 --> 01:12:52,199
that said

1936
01:12:59,470 --> 01:12:56,940
uh in 2013 the Publishers uh said we're

1937
01:13:03,050 --> 01:12:59,480
interested in your perspective on the AI

1938
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:03,060
UAP connection and really proposed that

1939
01:13:05,990 --> 01:13:04,560
rather than that being a chapter in a

1940
01:13:08,990 --> 01:13:06,000
big book you should just write a shorter

1941
01:13:11,270 --> 01:13:09,000
book that looks at just that and I mean

1942
01:13:13,490 --> 01:13:11,280
I've got a lot to add to that topic now

1943
01:13:15,290 --> 01:13:13,500
that that book the UFO Singularity it

1944
01:13:18,110 --> 01:13:15,300
was maybe a good starting point but it's

1945
01:13:20,450 --> 01:13:18,120
it's not maybe the fullest

1946
01:13:21,590 --> 01:13:20,460
um best expression of that idea in

1947
01:13:23,090 --> 01:13:21,600
recent years we've seen a lot of

1948
01:13:24,290 --> 01:13:23,100
interest in this

1949
01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:24,300
um I've corresponded with some

1950
01:13:30,050 --> 01:13:27,239
incredible uh scientists about this

1951
01:13:32,750 --> 01:13:30,060
um Dr Benjamin gertzel PhD Avi Loeb of

1952
01:13:36,770 --> 01:13:32,760
course who's very very acutely aware of

1953
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:36,780
the UAP AI possibility Lord Martin Reese

1954
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:39,000
Jill Tarter right I mean the scientist

1955
01:13:43,610 --> 01:13:41,280
upon whom the character in contact by

1956
01:13:45,530 --> 01:13:43,620
Carl Sagan is based I mean I've

1957
01:13:47,390 --> 01:13:45,540
corresponded with some some leading

1958
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:47,400
thinkers and they all essentially Echo

1959
01:13:51,110 --> 01:13:49,800
the same sentiment if and when alien

1960
01:13:52,490 --> 01:13:51,120
life comes to Earth there's a very

1961
01:13:54,110 --> 01:13:52,500
strong possibility we're going to be

1962
01:13:57,350 --> 01:13:54,120
looking at AI

1963
01:13:58,850 --> 01:13:57,360
as opposed to just biological visitors

1964
01:14:00,590 --> 01:13:58,860
and here are the reasons why I can

1965
01:14:03,110 --> 01:14:00,600
summarize this very simply go watch

1966
01:14:06,110 --> 01:14:03,120
Transformers I mean in Transformers you

1967
01:14:07,610 --> 01:14:06,120
see the Autobots arrive on Earth and I'm

1968
01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:07,620
thinking I was I remember watching those

1969
01:14:12,410 --> 01:14:09,900
the the famous Transformers films from

1970
01:14:14,330 --> 01:14:12,420
years ago watching those and thinking

1971
01:14:16,850 --> 01:14:14,340
now there's an idea you know why would

1972
01:14:20,510 --> 01:14:16,860
we presume that visitors from elsewhere

1973
01:14:22,910 --> 01:14:20,520
would necessarily uh be biological right

1974
01:14:24,709 --> 01:14:22,920
I mean think about what long periods of

1975
01:14:26,689 --> 01:14:24,719
travel in space even if we could move it

1976
01:14:29,570 --> 01:14:26,699
you know we're approaching the speed of

1977
01:14:31,010 --> 01:14:29,580
light at released in terms of Relativity

1978
01:14:33,050 --> 01:14:31,020
we know kind of what happens you know

1979
01:14:34,970 --> 01:14:33,060
when you actually reach light speed so

1980
01:14:37,610 --> 01:14:34,980
let's say that you're traveling close to

1981
01:14:39,649 --> 01:14:37,620
it I mean first of all you leave you get

1982
01:14:42,709 --> 01:14:39,659
back home all your friends are dead that

1983
01:14:45,050 --> 01:14:42,719
kind of sucks right but the thing is I'm

1984
01:14:45,790 --> 01:14:45,060
thinking you know if you had

1985
01:14:49,010 --> 01:14:45,800
um

1986
01:14:50,750 --> 01:14:49,020
post-biological intelligences that are

1987
01:14:52,490 --> 01:14:50,760
traveling through space one thing that

1988
01:14:54,470 --> 01:14:52,500
they are able to overcome is the atrophy

1989
01:14:56,750 --> 01:14:54,480
of musculature that occurs when humans

1990
01:14:59,090 --> 01:14:56,760
spend long periods in space they may be

1991
01:15:01,250 --> 01:14:59,100
able to overcome the problem of food

1992
01:15:04,010 --> 01:15:01,260
shortage keeping in mind that when we

1993
01:15:06,350 --> 01:15:04,020
look at space travel as we do it you

1994
01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:06,360
want to try and make your spacecraft as

1995
01:15:09,709 --> 01:15:08,219
efficient and you want to try and put as

1996
01:15:11,450 --> 01:15:09,719
much on there you won't have as much

1997
01:15:13,130 --> 01:15:11,460
space for payload as possible why

1998
01:15:14,450 --> 01:15:13,140
because when we're talking about a

1999
01:15:16,610 --> 01:15:14,460
manned mission let's say we're sending

2000
01:15:18,649 --> 01:15:16,620
people to Mars you got to send supplies

2001
01:15:20,270 --> 01:15:18,659
with them now you can also do a you know

2002
01:15:22,370 --> 01:15:20,280
future mission where you deliver some

2003
01:15:24,410 --> 01:15:22,380
more stuff but generally you got to have

2004
01:15:26,689 --> 01:15:24,420
fuel on board that rocket you got to

2005
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:26,699
have space on board that spacecraft to

2006
01:15:31,010 --> 01:15:29,280
be able to carry the materials

2007
01:15:32,630 --> 01:15:31,020
that are going to the destination with

2008
01:15:35,030 --> 01:15:32,640
you and keep in mind that is that rocket

2009
01:15:37,070 --> 01:15:35,040
is the stages that rocket are delivering

2010
01:15:38,930 --> 01:15:37,080
the spacecraft that's going to convey

2011
01:15:41,209 --> 01:15:38,940
you from point A to point B maybe Mars

2012
01:15:43,130 --> 01:15:41,219
in this instance I mean most of what's

2013
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:43,140
putting that thing into space is going

2014
01:15:46,970 --> 01:15:45,000
to get lost that spacecraft is all

2015
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:46,980
that's going to make its way to uh to

2016
01:15:50,810 --> 01:15:49,199
you know your planet destination so

2017
01:15:52,729 --> 01:15:50,820
you've got a very finite amount of space

2018
01:15:55,310 --> 01:15:52,739
and you've got to get all the essentials

2019
01:15:56,750 --> 01:15:55,320
in there to sustain human life when

2020
01:15:58,729 --> 01:15:56,760
we're talking about post biological

2021
01:16:00,470 --> 01:15:58,739
intelligence artificial intelligence or

2022
01:16:02,630 --> 01:16:00,480
robotics or something along those lines

2023
01:16:05,209 --> 01:16:02,640
you may be able to overcome a lot of

2024
01:16:08,510 --> 01:16:05,219
that we look at ideas like uh Von

2025
01:16:11,090 --> 01:16:08,520
Neumann probes right or um uh the other

2026
01:16:13,130 --> 01:16:11,100
one is the uh the bracewell probe Von

2027
01:16:14,510 --> 01:16:13,140
Neumann produce probe is essentially a

2028
01:16:17,149 --> 01:16:14,520
artificially intelligent

2029
01:16:19,370 --> 01:16:17,159
self-replicating probe that uh is

2030
01:16:20,810 --> 01:16:19,380
capable of uh traveling through space it

2031
01:16:23,750 --> 01:16:20,820
could be very small but it may be able

2032
01:16:26,330 --> 01:16:23,760
to utilize things like sunlight

2033
01:16:27,770 --> 01:16:26,340
um from Stars uh so technically

2034
01:16:28,970 --> 01:16:27,780
Starlight but we call it sunlight

2035
01:16:31,490 --> 01:16:28,980
because that happens to be the name we

2036
01:16:34,610 --> 01:16:31,500
give to the nearest star to Earth but

2037
01:16:36,410 --> 01:16:34,620
they may be able to collect radiation in

2038
01:16:37,729 --> 01:16:36,420
the form of heat and starlight right as

2039
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:37,739
they're passing through different you

2040
01:16:42,550 --> 01:16:39,960
know planetary systems or by them it may

2041
01:16:45,229 --> 01:16:42,560
be able to collect information or other

2042
01:16:47,689 --> 01:16:45,239
materials from asteroids and things like

2043
01:16:49,250 --> 01:16:47,699
that maybe able to mine metals and other

2044
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:49,260
kinds of materials that can be used in

2045
01:16:53,570 --> 01:16:51,300
the construction or self-replication of

2046
01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:53,580
similar probes that are disseminated and

2047
01:16:58,910 --> 01:16:55,800
dispersed throughout the Galaxy if

2048
01:17:00,649 --> 01:16:58,920
they're relatively small it seems very

2049
01:17:02,689 --> 01:17:00,659
possible that Earth could have been

2050
01:17:05,390 --> 01:17:02,699
bombarded throughout its history by Von

2051
01:17:07,250 --> 01:17:05,400
Neumann from from different locations in

2052
01:17:09,169 --> 01:17:07,260
the universe different intelligences

2053
01:17:10,970 --> 01:17:09,179
that may be long gone by now but before

2054
01:17:12,050 --> 01:17:10,980
they cease to exist that they created

2055
01:17:14,209 --> 01:17:12,060
these things and they began the

2056
01:17:15,590 --> 01:17:14,219
dispersal process maybe those things

2057
01:17:17,270 --> 01:17:15,600
travel all the way make their way toward

2058
01:17:18,410 --> 01:17:17,280
Earth's atmosphere and they're destroyed

2059
01:17:19,310 --> 01:17:18,420
maybe they're small they remain

2060
01:17:21,290 --> 01:17:19,320
somewhere out there and they're

2061
01:17:23,390 --> 01:17:21,300
operating in our solar system but

2062
01:17:25,610 --> 01:17:23,400
they're very small they're producing

2063
01:17:27,649 --> 01:17:25,620
almost no signatures apart maybe from

2064
01:17:29,090 --> 01:17:27,659
minor little radio frequencies and

2065
01:17:31,310 --> 01:17:29,100
things like that that if we knew where

2066
01:17:32,930 --> 01:17:31,320
to look or tried to look might be

2067
01:17:34,189 --> 01:17:32,940
detectable but we simply haven't tried

2068
01:17:36,350 --> 01:17:34,199
looking and so they could be all around

2069
01:17:37,610 --> 01:17:36,360
us and we haven't found them yet a

2070
01:17:39,350 --> 01:17:37,620
bracewell probe is a little different

2071
01:17:40,970 --> 01:17:39,360
this Ronald bracewell's idea of

2072
01:17:42,830 --> 01:17:40,980
something that basically goes and it

2073
01:17:44,870 --> 01:17:42,840
hangs out at a LaGrange point and it

2074
01:17:46,430 --> 01:17:44,880
waits until the civilization on the

2075
01:17:48,709 --> 01:17:46,440
nearby Planet begins to exhibit

2076
01:17:50,990 --> 01:17:48,719
capabilities that are worthy of contact

2077
01:17:53,689 --> 01:17:51,000
and then contact is initiated but I

2078
01:17:55,189 --> 01:17:53,699
often wonder do UAP

2079
01:17:58,010 --> 01:17:55,199
actually display some of these

2080
01:17:59,930 --> 01:17:58,020
capabilities uh in modern parlance there

2081
01:18:02,390 --> 01:17:59,940
was a great idea in a paper a few years

2082
01:18:04,490 --> 01:18:02,400
ago that took the Von Norman idea the

2083
01:18:06,950 --> 01:18:04,500
Von Neumann probe concept and kind of

2084
01:18:09,169 --> 01:18:06,960
modified that gave it a new name lurker

2085
01:18:10,610 --> 01:18:09,179
probes in other words probes that might

2086
01:18:12,110 --> 01:18:10,620
be carrying out a mission they're

2087
01:18:14,330 --> 01:18:12,120
surveilling planet Earth but they aren't

2088
01:18:15,470 --> 01:18:14,340
overtly trying to come out and say Howdy

2089
01:18:16,669 --> 01:18:15,480
Folks here we are we're going to drop

2090
01:18:18,770 --> 01:18:16,679
down on the White House law and

2091
01:18:20,870 --> 01:18:18,780
introduce ourselves and ask you to take

2092
01:18:23,689 --> 01:18:20,880
us to the big guy upstairs show us to

2093
01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:23,699
your leader again these sci-fi ideas

2094
01:18:27,350 --> 01:18:25,500
that inform so much of our thought about

2095
01:18:30,290 --> 01:18:27,360
what alien life or visitation by an

2096
01:18:31,550 --> 01:18:30,300
exotic intelligence would be like all

2097
01:18:33,649 --> 01:18:31,560
that goes out the window when you really

2098
01:18:34,970 --> 01:18:33,659
think about it it's all presumptions yet

2099
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:34,980
again

2100
01:18:40,430 --> 01:18:37,380
there could be alien intelligence

2101
01:18:41,990 --> 01:18:40,440
artificial remnants of some exotic

2102
01:18:43,910 --> 01:18:42,000
intelligence from long ago that have

2103
01:18:46,430 --> 01:18:43,920
been proliferating and they may be

2104
01:18:47,689 --> 01:18:46,440
working in our uh Galaxy and our in our

2105
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:47,699
solar system even right here in our

2106
01:18:51,229 --> 01:18:48,960
planetary neighborhood they could be

2107
01:18:53,209 --> 01:18:51,239
working out there surveilling us right

2108
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,219
now and we wouldn't even know because we

2109
01:18:56,630 --> 01:18:54,719
haven't tried to look but what if

2110
01:18:58,850 --> 01:18:56,640
something some UAP

2111
01:19:00,830 --> 01:18:58,860
you know thinking about how you know

2112
01:19:02,570 --> 01:19:00,840
they don't seem to really want to have

2113
01:19:03,890 --> 01:19:02,580
to stop and say hi they're usually just

2114
01:19:05,330 --> 01:19:03,900
doing their own thing and if we start

2115
01:19:07,189 --> 01:19:05,340
tracking them they try to get out of the

2116
01:19:08,870 --> 01:19:07,199
way think about Chad Underwood talking

2117
01:19:11,149 --> 01:19:08,880
about the Tic Tac immediately starts

2118
01:19:12,770 --> 01:19:11,159
jamming his radar right these things try

2119
01:19:13,970 --> 01:19:12,780
to fly off and get out of the way as

2120
01:19:16,310 --> 01:19:13,980
quick as they can

2121
01:19:18,110 --> 01:19:16,320
they essentially behave kind of like a

2122
01:19:19,729 --> 01:19:18,120
hypothetical lurker probe they hear

2123
01:19:21,709 --> 01:19:19,739
they're doing their job

2124
01:19:23,570 --> 01:19:21,719
they could be very well technologies

2125
01:19:25,790 --> 01:19:23,580
that are somehow autonomously just going

2126
01:19:27,950 --> 01:19:25,800
about some programmable kind of mission

2127
01:19:29,810 --> 01:19:27,960
and they're trying to stay out of our

2128
01:19:32,149 --> 01:19:29,820
way so that they can better complete

2129
01:19:33,830 --> 01:19:32,159
their mission whatever that is I mean

2130
01:19:36,229 --> 01:19:33,840
it's not impossible that we're already

2131
01:19:37,610 --> 01:19:36,239
looking at an alien form of AI That's

2132
01:19:40,189 --> 01:19:37,620
operating here on Earth and although

2133
01:19:42,169 --> 01:19:40,199
that's a speculative idea and thereby an

2134
01:19:43,729 --> 01:19:42,179
extraordinary claim more and more

2135
01:19:46,130 --> 01:19:43,739
scientists who are looking at the

2136
01:19:49,610 --> 01:19:46,140
possibility of what alien contact might

2137
01:19:52,669 --> 01:19:49,620
be like are entertaining the likelihood

2138
01:19:54,830 --> 01:19:52,679
that we are more likely to encounter an

2139
01:19:57,550 --> 01:19:54,840
alien form of AI than we are biological

2140
01:20:01,130 --> 01:19:57,560
visitors or organisms

2141
01:20:04,010 --> 01:20:01,140
very interesting you know and it even

2142
01:20:07,070 --> 01:20:04,020
you know kind of reminds me of the

2143
01:20:09,350 --> 01:20:07,080
recent conversation that George Knapp

2144
01:20:11,870 --> 01:20:09,360
and Jeremy Corbell had over on their

2145
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:11,880
their podcast weaponized where they

2146
01:20:17,149 --> 01:20:14,000
talked about this term the

2147
01:20:19,610 --> 01:20:17,159
techno-terrestrial in terms of could an

2148
01:20:22,610 --> 01:20:19,620
alien invasion happen through our

2149
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,620
technology not a flying saucer landing

2150
01:20:27,590 --> 01:20:24,960
on the planet and taking us over but

2151
01:20:30,290 --> 01:20:27,600
could it literally come from within our

2152
01:20:33,770 --> 01:20:30,300
own technology as we progress a digital

2153
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:33,780
trojan horse as it were um I I find that

2154
01:20:38,750 --> 01:20:36,480
fascinating too you know could the could

2155
01:20:41,390 --> 01:20:38,760
they be trying to communicate through

2156
01:20:43,669 --> 01:20:41,400
our internet through our interfaces

2157
01:20:46,669 --> 01:20:43,679
through what we eventually these

2158
01:20:48,770 --> 01:20:46,679
algorithms were creating with AI could

2159
01:20:50,810 --> 01:20:48,780
they eventually use those to communicate

2160
01:20:52,310 --> 01:20:50,820
with us um the possibilities are

2161
01:20:53,930 --> 01:20:52,320
obviously endless this is all

2162
01:20:56,330 --> 01:20:53,940
hypothetical

2163
01:20:59,390 --> 01:20:56,340
um but I find it really interesting that

2164
01:21:02,090 --> 01:20:59,400
the conversations we once had on Little

2165
01:21:04,669 --> 01:21:02,100
Green Men from Mars is now turning to

2166
01:21:07,130 --> 01:21:04,679
possible robots or like you mentioned

2167
01:21:09,890 --> 01:21:07,140
these lurker probes and we're moving

2168
01:21:12,470 --> 01:21:09,900
kind of away from the biological

2169
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,480
um which is true for us as humans as

2170
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,120
well we are getting closer to the verge

2171
01:21:19,250 --> 01:21:17,760
of that Singularity possibly we are but

2172
01:21:21,590 --> 01:21:19,260
you know here's the other thing too Ryan

2173
01:21:24,169 --> 01:21:21,600
again it's it's predictable human

2174
01:21:25,970 --> 01:21:24,179
behavior before we go into space we

2175
01:21:27,890 --> 01:21:25,980
watch Buck Rogers and we think that if

2176
01:21:29,330 --> 01:21:27,900
we can fly into space that aliens can do

2177
01:21:31,070 --> 01:21:29,340
it too and they may eventually come here

2178
01:21:33,470 --> 01:21:31,080
and then we start putting probes out

2179
01:21:35,390 --> 01:21:33,480
into space after Sputnik right gets put

2180
01:21:36,649 --> 01:21:35,400
into orbit we realize holy crap we got

2181
01:21:37,490 --> 01:21:36,659
to get something up there quick and we

2182
01:21:39,470 --> 01:21:37,500
do

2183
01:21:40,550 --> 01:21:39,480
and then the space race is fully on but

2184
01:21:42,290 --> 01:21:40,560
then we start thinking well but

2185
01:21:45,290 --> 01:21:42,300
intelligent aliens they also may be

2186
01:21:47,149 --> 01:21:45,300
putting probes out there right and then

2187
01:21:48,950 --> 01:21:47,159
AI becomes a thing and humans start

2188
01:21:50,450 --> 01:21:48,960
saying oh well if we can create AI then

2189
01:21:52,490 --> 01:21:50,460
maybe aliens could do it too whatever

2190
01:21:54,290 --> 01:21:52,500
the next big thing is 10 years from now

2191
01:21:56,810 --> 01:21:54,300
Ryan when we're you know I guess you and

2192
01:21:58,550 --> 01:21:56,820
I are in our 50s and you know we've

2193
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:58,560
grown up these incredible beards you

2194
01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:00,560
know and it's going to be awesome but I

2195
01:22:05,570 --> 01:22:03,060
can't grow a full thick one right now I

2196
01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:05,580
know me either buddy when we get to that

2197
01:22:08,209 --> 01:22:07,020
point though I hope we'll reconvene and

2198
01:22:09,709 --> 01:22:08,219
have this conversation and you'll

2199
01:22:10,850 --> 01:22:09,719
remember me saying whatever the next big

2200
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,860
thing is we're going to start saying

2201
01:22:14,390 --> 01:22:12,239
that's what aliens are going to do too

2202
01:22:15,770 --> 01:22:14,400
and it's just a it's we're always

2203
01:22:19,370 --> 01:22:15,780
informed by whatever the latest

2204
01:22:21,470 --> 01:22:19,380
technology we have is you know 500 years

2205
01:22:23,990 --> 01:22:21,480
ago we would call them aliens or I'm

2206
01:22:27,470 --> 01:22:24,000
sorry Angels right Angels demons you

2207
01:22:29,510 --> 01:22:27,480
know whatever uh we're informed somewhat

2208
01:22:31,610 --> 01:22:29,520
by the technology of Any Given period

2209
01:22:33,590 --> 01:22:31,620
and we project those human expectations

2210
01:22:36,649 --> 01:22:33,600
onto the phenomena that we observe right

2211
01:22:38,149 --> 01:22:36,659
now again I actually think that there is

2212
01:22:40,430 --> 01:22:38,159
a very good chance though that AI is

2213
01:22:41,990 --> 01:22:40,440
going to play a role in the UAP thing

2214
01:22:43,310 --> 01:22:42,000
and you know we'll have to kind of wait

2215
01:22:44,750 --> 01:22:43,320
and see what happens here in the years

2216
01:22:47,750 --> 01:22:44,760
ahead but it's it's definitely an

2217
01:22:50,390 --> 01:22:47,760
interesting time I just hope that uh

2218
01:22:53,570 --> 01:22:50,400
with our with our progress we're seeing

2219
01:22:56,030 --> 01:22:53,580
with AI that it's done responsibly and

2220
01:22:57,890 --> 01:22:56,040
that that doesn't become a problem for

2221
01:23:00,649 --> 01:22:57,900
Humanity before it is something that

2222
01:23:03,649 --> 01:23:00,659
facilitates new avenues toward knowledge

2223
01:23:05,270 --> 01:23:03,659
right that that's the concerning side of

2224
01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:05,280
this and of course technologists and

2225
01:23:09,890 --> 01:23:07,860
people you've seen in recent days uh you

2226
01:23:11,870 --> 01:23:09,900
know maybe arguing that we need to pause

2227
01:23:14,630 --> 01:23:11,880
for six months and really consider the

2228
01:23:17,810 --> 01:23:14,640
ethical implications the existential

2229
01:23:19,250 --> 01:23:17,820
implications of the quickening rate of

2230
01:23:20,510 --> 01:23:19,260
development of AI

2231
01:23:21,770 --> 01:23:20,520
these are things that need to be

2232
01:23:23,090 --> 01:23:21,780
considered but one last thing I'll leave

2233
01:23:24,890 --> 01:23:23,100
with our fine folks at the Central

2234
01:23:26,090 --> 01:23:24,900
Intelligence Agency who happen to be out

2235
01:23:27,890 --> 01:23:26,100
there watching right now because I know

2236
01:23:29,570 --> 01:23:27,900
you are if you guys haven't looked yet

2237
01:23:31,970 --> 01:23:29,580
here's an idea why don't you look online

2238
01:23:33,890 --> 01:23:31,980
try and find evidence of aliens not in

2239
01:23:35,390 --> 01:23:33,900
space but on the internet because you

2240
01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:35,400
know if I were an alien or any kind of

2241
01:23:39,110 --> 01:23:37,380
alien intelligence visiting Earth

2242
01:23:41,450 --> 01:23:39,120
I wanted to get information about Earth

2243
01:23:43,250 --> 01:23:41,460
and what was happening on here I'd get

2244
01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:43,260
them you know I get online I'd hack into

2245
01:23:46,850 --> 01:23:44,400
the web I'd get all the information

2246
01:23:48,890 --> 01:23:46,860
about the earthlings from the largest

2247
01:23:51,050 --> 01:23:48,900
single source of information that's been

2248
01:23:52,850 --> 01:23:51,060
ever put together by humans which is in

2249
01:23:53,990 --> 01:23:52,860
that digital format on the web maybe we

2250
01:23:55,850 --> 01:23:54,000
should be looking for evidence of

2251
01:23:57,169 --> 01:23:55,860
visitation there first because if they

2252
01:23:58,430 --> 01:23:57,179
ever came here surely they would go

2253
01:24:00,709 --> 01:23:58,440
online and try and get as much

2254
01:24:04,490 --> 01:24:00,719
information about us as they could

2255
01:24:09,470 --> 01:24:04,500
just a thought so true so true buddy I

2256
01:24:12,709 --> 01:24:09,480
love it all right let's move to a um an

2257
01:24:15,890 --> 01:24:12,719
unfortunate story and that is

2258
01:24:19,490 --> 01:24:15,900
um this recent story about six cattle

2259
01:24:21,649 --> 01:24:19,500
that died mysteriously in Texas so six

2260
01:24:24,110 --> 01:24:21,659
cattle died in Texas with their tongues

2261
01:24:26,510 --> 01:24:24,120
removed the hide around one side of

2262
01:24:28,729 --> 01:24:26,520
their mouth is gone and no blood spilled

2263
01:24:31,189 --> 01:24:28,739
authorities said the cause of death for

2264
01:24:33,169 --> 01:24:31,199
the six animals was unknown the Madison

2265
01:24:35,810 --> 01:24:33,179
County Sheriff's Office said in a

2266
01:24:38,570 --> 01:24:35,820
statement as of Friday there are no

2267
01:24:40,729 --> 01:24:38,580
updates on what happened the cattle were

2268
01:24:43,130 --> 01:24:40,739
found along Texas State Highway in three

2269
01:24:45,770 --> 01:24:43,140
country counties excuse me Madison

2270
01:24:47,570 --> 01:24:45,780
Brazos and Robertson with each animal

2271
01:24:50,450 --> 01:24:47,580
part of a different herd and a different

2272
01:24:52,490 --> 01:24:50,460
pasture the sheriff's office said five

2273
01:24:55,790 --> 01:24:52,500
of the animals were adults the sheriffs

2274
01:24:58,669 --> 01:24:55,800
said and one was a yearling in two cases

2275
01:25:00,770 --> 01:24:58,679
the animals genitalia and anuses had

2276
01:25:02,570 --> 01:25:00,780
been removed with a circular cut that

2277
01:25:04,910 --> 01:25:02,580
the sheriff's office said had been made

2278
01:25:09,130 --> 01:25:04,920
with the same precision as the cuts

2279
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:09,140
noted around the jaw lines in each cow

2280
01:25:14,750 --> 01:25:12,000
ranchers also reported that no Predators

2281
01:25:16,790 --> 01:25:14,760
or Birds would scavenge the remains of

2282
01:25:19,310 --> 01:25:16,800
the cow leaving it to Decay untouched

2283
01:25:21,110 --> 01:25:19,320
for several weeks the Sheriff's Office

2284
01:25:23,330 --> 01:25:21,120
noted that similar incidents had been

2285
01:25:26,930 --> 01:25:23,340
reported across the U.S and it was

2286
01:25:29,330 --> 01:25:26,940
coordinating with other law enforcement

2287
01:25:32,570 --> 01:25:29,340
um this Micah is why I wanted to talk to

2288
01:25:35,090 --> 01:25:32,580
you because you wrote a huge piece

2289
01:25:37,310 --> 01:25:35,100
recently over at the debrief about other

2290
01:25:40,430 --> 01:25:37,320
cattle deaths that it had occurred in

2291
01:25:42,290 --> 01:25:40,440
the the United States and I found a lot

2292
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:42,300
of this strikingly similar to the

2293
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:44,820
investigation and reporting that you did

2294
01:25:49,970 --> 01:25:46,800
so first of all what do you make of this

2295
01:25:52,669 --> 01:25:49,980
recent story in Texas and did you find

2296
01:25:55,130 --> 01:25:52,679
any comparisons between what you did

2297
01:25:56,990 --> 01:25:55,140
previously with your story in this one

2298
01:25:58,790 --> 01:25:57,000
what do you make of this we're now back

2299
01:26:01,610 --> 01:25:58,800
to cattle mutilations never thought I'd

2300
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:01,620
see the day uh you know they happened

2301
01:26:05,689 --> 01:26:03,300
pretty frequently I mean there's been a

2302
01:26:07,550 --> 01:26:05,699
Spate of uh incidents involving these

2303
01:26:10,189 --> 01:26:07,560
purported mutilations that have occurred

2304
01:26:11,810 --> 01:26:10,199
out in Oregon recent years

2305
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:11,820
um I've been looking into some cattle

2306
01:26:16,550 --> 01:26:13,199
desks that occurred around Meeker

2307
01:26:18,770 --> 01:26:16,560
Colorado late last year and what's being

2308
01:26:20,750 --> 01:26:18,780
reported down there in Madison County uh

2309
01:26:21,649 --> 01:26:20,760
and a few other surrounding counties in

2310
01:26:23,209 --> 01:26:21,659
Texas

2311
01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:23,219
is actually quite a bit different from

2312
01:26:27,470 --> 01:26:25,560
the case I looked into now first what's

2313
01:26:28,910 --> 01:26:27,480
being reported in Texas based on this

2314
01:26:31,010 --> 01:26:28,920
article that I'm looking at the very

2315
01:26:32,030 --> 01:26:31,020
same one you sent me earlier

2316
01:26:34,669 --> 01:26:32,040
um

2317
01:26:38,209 --> 01:26:34,679
this appears to be what you might call

2318
01:26:41,750 --> 01:26:38,219
Classic cattle mute criteria right I

2319
01:26:44,090 --> 01:26:41,760
mean portions of you know the the tongue

2320
01:26:46,310 --> 01:26:44,100
and the face are removed

2321
01:26:49,310 --> 01:26:46,320
um surgical Precision of the uh

2322
01:26:51,169 --> 01:26:49,320
incisions that were made soft tissues

2323
01:26:53,510 --> 01:26:51,179
and locations that include anus

2324
01:26:55,129 --> 01:26:53,520
genitalia what have you

2325
01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:55,139
um also notably they're saying that

2326
01:26:59,870 --> 01:26:57,060
there's a lack of depredation by

2327
01:27:01,790 --> 01:26:59,880
scavengers that occurs

2328
01:27:03,530 --> 01:27:01,800
um in the aftermath of these deaths and

2329
01:27:04,669 --> 01:27:03,540
no clear evidence of any kind of a

2330
01:27:06,709 --> 01:27:04,679
struggle or anything that might have

2331
01:27:10,370 --> 01:27:06,719
happened you know because I mean it does

2332
01:27:13,790 --> 01:27:10,380
happen occasionally that animals like uh

2333
01:27:15,649 --> 01:27:13,800
Wolves of course mountain lions also uh

2334
01:27:18,290 --> 01:27:15,659
and even in some instances certain kinds

2335
01:27:21,169 --> 01:27:18,300
of bear if they're hungry enough will

2336
01:27:23,030 --> 01:27:21,179
sometimes attack cattle they say that

2337
01:27:25,030 --> 01:27:23,040
they didn't find any evidence of that

2338
01:27:28,010 --> 01:27:25,040
and further that the the general

2339
01:27:29,390 --> 01:27:28,020
Scavenging kind of of behaviors by

2340
01:27:31,970 --> 01:27:29,400
animals that would come along after an

2341
01:27:34,010 --> 01:27:31,980
animal has been killed like this hadn't

2342
01:27:37,070 --> 01:27:34,020
occurred that these animals wouldn't

2343
01:27:40,189 --> 01:27:37,080
touch the purportedly muted mutilated

2344
01:27:42,110 --> 01:27:40,199
cattle that contrast that's very similar

2345
01:27:43,430 --> 01:27:42,120
to the classic what we might call cattle

2346
01:27:44,629 --> 01:27:43,440
mutilation report but it's very

2347
01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:44,639
different from the kinds of things that

2348
01:27:51,229 --> 01:27:47,639
I was observing in Meeker Colorado last

2349
01:27:55,149 --> 01:27:51,239
year because what we had there was about

2350
01:27:58,010 --> 01:27:55,159
uh I mean maybe a couple of dozen or so

2351
01:28:00,770 --> 01:27:58,020
calves that just kind of mysteriously

2352
01:28:02,149 --> 01:28:00,780
dropped dead out there on uh Colorado's

2353
01:28:04,790 --> 01:28:02,159
Western Slope

2354
01:28:07,310 --> 01:28:04,800
uh and so uh the Colorado Parks and

2355
01:28:09,709 --> 01:28:07,320
Wildlife began to investigate this

2356
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:09,719
and they had initially said that there

2357
01:28:14,750 --> 01:28:11,760
was some evidence of depredation that

2358
01:28:16,250 --> 01:28:14,760
they attributed to a large canine but

2359
01:28:17,510 --> 01:28:16,260
then it was determined that some of

2360
01:28:18,950 --> 01:28:17,520
these cattle it seemed like they just

2361
01:28:20,930 --> 01:28:18,960
dropped dead there was no clear

2362
01:28:22,910 --> 01:28:20,940
discernible evidence and they have come

2363
01:28:25,070 --> 01:28:22,920
out and said we explicitly say there is

2364
01:28:27,530 --> 01:28:25,080
no evidence we can strongly attribute to

2365
01:28:28,970 --> 01:28:27,540
wolves which actually gets into a bit of

2366
01:28:30,649 --> 01:28:28,980
a political issue that they've been

2367
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:30,659
experiencing in Colorado because there's

2368
01:28:34,910 --> 01:28:32,460
currently a wolf reintroduction plan

2369
01:28:36,470 --> 01:28:34,920
going on out there and of course the

2370
01:28:38,450 --> 01:28:36,480
idea that wolves or any other kind of a

2371
01:28:40,189 --> 01:28:38,460
predator might have killed cattle that's

2372
01:28:41,390 --> 01:28:40,199
probably not interesting to the most of

2373
01:28:43,129 --> 01:28:41,400
the people out there who say come on

2374
01:28:45,350 --> 01:28:43,139
cattle mutilations we know aliens are

2375
01:28:46,970 --> 01:28:45,360
doing it right those if if we're talking

2376
01:28:49,010 --> 01:28:46,980
about you know wolves or something like

2377
01:28:50,870 --> 01:28:49,020
that we're not interested in those

2378
01:28:53,270 --> 01:28:50,880
I actually do the contrary after I put

2379
01:28:55,970 --> 01:28:53,280
this article out there at the debrief a

2380
01:28:57,229 --> 01:28:55,980
lot of uh cattle mutilator or not the

2381
01:28:59,090 --> 01:28:57,239
mutilators themselves but a cattle

2382
01:29:01,010 --> 01:28:59,100
mutilation researchers reached out and

2383
01:29:02,510 --> 01:29:01,020
they they said this is interesting to us

2384
01:29:04,490 --> 01:29:02,520
because

2385
01:29:06,290 --> 01:29:04,500
um what's your report and your reporting

2386
01:29:08,530 --> 01:29:06,300
based on the interviews I conducted with

2387
01:29:11,390 --> 01:29:08,540
Colorado Parks and Wildlife

2388
01:29:14,330 --> 01:29:11,400
officials including the Northwest

2389
01:29:16,310 --> 01:29:14,340
regional manager Travis black reached

2390
01:29:18,830 --> 01:29:16,320
out to a biologist who had conducted

2391
01:29:20,330 --> 01:29:18,840
some of the analyzes also it was the

2392
01:29:22,490 --> 01:29:20,340
largest single

2393
01:29:26,270 --> 01:29:22,500
wasn't technically a four-year when it's

2394
01:29:28,070 --> 01:29:26,280
a state agency like that it's usually a

2395
01:29:29,689 --> 01:29:28,080
public records act request but it was

2396
01:29:31,790 --> 01:29:29,699
both the largest and the most expensive

2397
01:29:33,890 --> 01:29:31,800
uh public records act request

2398
01:29:35,270 --> 01:29:33,900
potentially ended up being the the price

2399
01:29:37,729 --> 01:29:35,280
reduced a little bit but I mean it was

2400
01:29:39,110 --> 01:29:37,739
one of the most extensive foias you

2401
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:39,120
might say that I've ever been involved

2402
01:29:42,590 --> 01:29:40,800
with and they released gigabytes of

2403
01:29:44,030 --> 01:29:42,600
information to me which included

2404
01:29:46,430 --> 01:29:44,040
beautiful imagery of the cattle

2405
01:29:48,470 --> 01:29:46,440
necropsies which trust me you don't want

2406
01:29:49,490 --> 01:29:48,480
to eat those uh after you've had your

2407
01:29:52,310 --> 01:29:49,500
lunch

2408
01:29:54,050 --> 01:29:52,320
not exactly Pleasant stuff but again I

2409
01:29:56,330 --> 01:29:54,060
waited through all this data to try and

2410
01:29:58,070 --> 01:29:56,340
really get a much deeper understanding

2411
01:30:00,050 --> 01:29:58,080
of the different kinds of

2412
01:30:02,149 --> 01:30:00,060
things that can contribute to cattle

2413
01:30:04,010 --> 01:30:02,159
does and here's how this applies to what

2414
01:30:06,229 --> 01:30:04,020
we might be seeing in Texas and other

2415
01:30:08,270 --> 01:30:06,239
mysterious uh you know cattle deaths

2416
01:30:09,530 --> 01:30:08,280
that occur livestock deaths actually

2417
01:30:11,570 --> 01:30:09,540
some prefer to say because it's not

2418
01:30:12,890 --> 01:30:11,580
always just cattle occasionally we also

2419
01:30:14,870 --> 01:30:12,900
have this happening to horses and things

2420
01:30:16,490 --> 01:30:14,880
like that as in the famous case of

2421
01:30:19,729 --> 01:30:16,500
snippy but

2422
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:19,739
um first cattle can be susceptible to

2423
01:30:24,530 --> 01:30:22,020
the onset of different kind of bacteria

2424
01:30:27,229 --> 01:30:24,540
clostridium is uh the strain that

2425
01:30:29,390 --> 01:30:27,239
usually can lead to various kinds of

2426
01:30:31,490 --> 01:30:29,400
infections but one of the conditions

2427
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:31,500
that often affects those cattle is

2428
01:30:37,310 --> 01:30:34,320
what's known as black leg there are also

2429
01:30:39,169 --> 01:30:37,320
based on the altitude at which some

2430
01:30:40,729 --> 01:30:39,179
cattle are existing especially those at

2431
01:30:42,950 --> 01:30:40,739
higher altitudes what's known as brisket

2432
01:30:44,750 --> 01:30:42,960
disease which is I think a form of

2433
01:30:46,430 --> 01:30:44,760
hypoxia that can also lead to further

2434
01:30:48,970 --> 01:30:46,440
complications that certain cattle can

2435
01:30:52,189 --> 01:30:48,980
experience thereafter

2436
01:30:54,590 --> 01:30:52,199
there's also toxicity that is often

2437
01:30:55,790 --> 01:30:54,600
overlooked as a potential cause of death

2438
01:30:58,250 --> 01:30:55,800
in cattle

2439
01:31:00,649 --> 01:30:58,260
toxicity can result from for instance I

2440
01:31:02,330 --> 01:31:00,659
think uh Tani ragward I think is the

2441
01:31:05,689 --> 01:31:02,340
name of one of these plants that in some

2442
01:31:07,189 --> 01:31:05,699
instances there have been cattle that

2443
01:31:09,590 --> 01:31:07,199
have when they're being moved from one

2444
01:31:12,169 --> 01:31:09,600
plot of land to another the cattle May

2445
01:31:14,990 --> 01:31:12,179
some of them can ingest one of these

2446
01:31:17,090 --> 01:31:15,000
toxic plants they're moved over

2447
01:31:19,610 --> 01:31:17,100
within sometimes hours or a couple of

2448
01:31:20,930 --> 01:31:19,620
days the the cow dies right and they're

2449
01:31:22,189 --> 01:31:20,940
like there was nothing on the land here

2450
01:31:24,950 --> 01:31:22,199
that could have possibly killed the

2451
01:31:26,930 --> 01:31:24,960
cattle mysterious death but toxicology

2452
01:31:28,189 --> 01:31:26,940
reports later indicate that indeed there

2453
01:31:30,830 --> 01:31:28,199
was the presence of this particular

2454
01:31:33,470 --> 01:31:30,840
toxin in some of these specimens what's

2455
01:31:35,870 --> 01:31:33,480
interesting about the classic cattle

2456
01:31:37,370 --> 01:31:35,880
mutilation cases like this is I would

2457
01:31:38,810 --> 01:31:37,380
argue that

2458
01:31:41,030 --> 01:31:38,820
um researchers like myself and actually

2459
01:31:44,510 --> 01:31:41,040
a lot of the Old Guard cattle mutilator

2460
01:31:47,629 --> 01:31:44,520
uh investigators like Chris O'Brien and

2461
01:31:49,370 --> 01:31:47,639
others they they're very aware of all

2462
01:31:52,490 --> 01:31:49,380
these different things that can cause

2463
01:31:54,169 --> 01:31:52,500
the deaths of cows I often see Skeptics

2464
01:31:57,110 --> 01:31:54,179
saying there's no evidence of anything

2465
01:31:59,810 --> 01:31:57,120
extraordinary and all these alien

2466
01:32:02,330 --> 01:31:59,820
theorists look you got to be clear a lot

2467
01:32:05,629 --> 01:32:02,340
of the cattle mutilation researchers are

2468
01:32:07,550 --> 01:32:05,639
not trying to link this phenomena to

2469
01:32:10,310 --> 01:32:07,560
UFOs or extraterrestrials or anything

2470
01:32:13,129 --> 01:32:10,320
like that right right but I also take

2471
01:32:15,890 --> 01:32:13,139
issue first of all with that with that

2472
01:32:17,930 --> 01:32:15,900
um sometimes in unfair improper

2473
01:32:20,209 --> 01:32:17,940
connection that is made and further that

2474
01:32:23,149 --> 01:32:20,219
the Skeptics claim that they're in every

2475
01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:23,159
case is a mundane cause Behind These

2476
01:32:27,950 --> 01:32:25,800
cattle mutilations that flatly is is

2477
01:32:29,930 --> 01:32:27,960
wrong and I'll tell you why back

2478
01:32:31,310 --> 01:32:29,940
beginning in the 1970s when a lot of

2479
01:32:33,290 --> 01:32:31,320
these cases were occurring and you had

2480
01:32:34,910 --> 01:32:33,300
Gabe Valdez and a lot of these guys who

2481
01:32:36,890 --> 01:32:34,920
were you know members of State

2482
01:32:38,270 --> 01:32:36,900
organizations police agencies and things

2483
01:32:40,729 --> 01:32:38,280
that were investigating this because at

2484
01:32:42,470 --> 01:32:40,739
that time the FBI said well we're not

2485
01:32:44,270 --> 01:32:42,480
getting involved and actually

2486
01:32:46,070 --> 01:32:44,280
there may have been you know

2487
01:32:47,750 --> 01:32:46,080
justification for that because

2488
01:32:49,970 --> 01:32:47,760
there are a lot of these cattle deaths

2489
01:32:52,010 --> 01:32:49,980
they didn't involve anything that seemed

2490
01:32:53,689 --> 01:32:52,020
to be going across state lines right in

2491
01:32:55,790 --> 01:32:53,699
other words the FBI was arguing there

2492
01:32:57,890 --> 01:32:55,800
doesn't seem to be any kind of a need

2493
01:32:59,810 --> 01:32:57,900
for a you know federal law enforcement

2494
01:33:02,090 --> 01:32:59,820
investment investigation to get in there

2495
01:33:04,250 --> 01:33:02,100
this is kind of outside our jurisdiction

2496
01:33:06,110 --> 01:33:04,260
now they did the FBI keep a file on

2497
01:33:07,850 --> 01:33:06,120
cattle mutilation but it mostly was just

2498
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:07,860
they were kind of keeping tabs on the

2499
01:33:12,229 --> 01:33:09,900
individual states and their individual

2500
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:12,239
investigations gave Valdez and others

2501
01:33:14,510 --> 01:33:13,199
who were looking into this so they

2502
01:33:16,010 --> 01:33:14,520
noticed some really strange things in

2503
01:33:18,410 --> 01:33:16,020
addition to the kind of criteria we see

2504
01:33:22,070 --> 01:33:18,420
in this case in Texas right now surgical

2505
01:33:24,129 --> 01:33:22,080
Precision uh very key components or you

2506
01:33:27,050 --> 01:33:24,139
know body parts being removed eyes

2507
01:33:29,450 --> 01:33:27,060
tongues anus genitalia things like that

2508
01:33:31,070 --> 01:33:29,460
soft organs which notably Skeptics do

2509
01:33:33,229 --> 01:33:31,080
point out and maybe rightly so in this

2510
01:33:35,510 --> 01:33:33,239
case that those kinds of soft organs

2511
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:35,520
usually are the first things

2512
01:33:39,770 --> 01:33:37,679
that scavengers will go after I know

2513
01:33:41,990 --> 01:33:39,780
that from my own extensive analysis of

2514
01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,000
delicious lovely cattle necropsy

2515
01:33:45,290 --> 01:33:44,400
photographs that yes indeed even when we

2516
01:33:46,729 --> 01:33:45,300
know

2517
01:33:48,410 --> 01:33:46,739
that there wasn't something like a

2518
01:33:50,090 --> 01:33:48,420
mutilation that occurred often those

2519
01:33:52,910 --> 01:33:50,100
components are missing because those are

2520
01:33:54,590 --> 01:33:52,920
the soft tissues that little Scavenging

2521
01:33:56,390 --> 01:33:54,600
animals insects birds and things are

2522
01:33:58,129 --> 01:33:56,400
going to go after us that does happen

2523
01:34:00,169 --> 01:33:58,139
but and I'm no cattle mutilation

2524
01:34:01,490 --> 01:34:00,179
investigation expert by any means but

2525
01:34:03,470 --> 01:34:01,500
from what I do know about it I'll tell

2526
01:34:05,390 --> 01:34:03,480
you this there were also instances in

2527
01:34:07,550 --> 01:34:05,400
the 1970s where they began to find that

2528
01:34:08,930 --> 01:34:07,560
there were substances like a paint like

2529
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,940
kind of a substance that had been found

2530
01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:10,320
on the backs of some of these cattle

2531
01:34:14,930 --> 01:34:12,840
that would fluoresce under a black light

2532
01:34:16,490 --> 01:34:14,940
which the cattle ranchers the producers

2533
01:34:19,010 --> 01:34:16,500
in other words had not put on there

2534
01:34:21,370 --> 01:34:19,020
themselves it was as though some of

2535
01:34:23,450 --> 01:34:21,380
these cattle had been branded

2536
01:34:25,610 --> 01:34:23,460
not like in the traditional sense of

2537
01:34:28,010 --> 01:34:25,620
branding cattle like they'd been marked

2538
01:34:30,830 --> 01:34:28,020
possibly for monitoring or for whatever

2539
01:34:32,530 --> 01:34:30,840
else I have personally interviewed a few

2540
01:34:34,910 --> 01:34:32,540
uh producers

2541
01:34:37,669 --> 01:34:34,920
who have experienced this phenomena and

2542
01:34:39,229 --> 01:34:37,679
who have investigated it firsthand who

2543
01:34:41,090 --> 01:34:39,239
are not part of the researcher Community

2544
01:34:43,010 --> 01:34:41,100
there the cattle ranchers who have had

2545
01:34:44,330 --> 01:34:43,020
it happen to their cattle

2546
01:34:46,010 --> 01:34:44,340
um they've told me the stories about

2547
01:34:48,590 --> 01:34:46,020
everything you see here in this article

2548
01:34:50,450 --> 01:34:48,600
you know uh sometimes examination the

2549
01:34:52,790 --> 01:34:50,460
blood is drained from the from the uh

2550
01:34:54,590 --> 01:34:52,800
animal entirely

2551
01:34:57,410 --> 01:34:54,600
um sometimes the markings again are

2552
01:34:58,850 --> 01:34:57,420
clearly Surgical and curiously they also

2553
01:35:00,169 --> 01:34:58,860
say and this is one gentleman I spoke

2554
01:35:02,629 --> 01:35:00,179
with who I believe also was from

2555
01:35:04,189 --> 01:35:02,639
Colorado originally when I interviewed

2556
01:35:08,510 --> 01:35:04,199
him about one of these cases he said

2557
01:35:12,890 --> 01:35:08,520
that there were clearly these three

2558
01:35:14,209 --> 01:35:12,900
about uh football sized impressions in

2559
01:35:17,570 --> 01:35:14,219
the ground

2560
01:35:20,209 --> 01:35:17,580
forming a triangle around where the

2561
01:35:22,250 --> 01:35:20,219
cattle's remains had actually been found

2562
01:35:23,450 --> 01:35:22,260
as though something had come down from

2563
01:35:26,270 --> 01:35:23,460
the sky

2564
01:35:27,590 --> 01:35:26,280
and potentially dropped deposited those

2565
01:35:28,729 --> 01:35:27,600
remains there now what that might have

2566
01:35:32,330 --> 01:35:28,739
been I don't know

2567
01:35:35,689 --> 01:35:32,340
but these are certain elements that are

2568
01:35:37,310 --> 01:35:35,699
criteria that appear in the minority of

2569
01:35:40,189 --> 01:35:37,320
these kinds of cases

2570
01:35:42,169 --> 01:35:40,199
and again I'll defer to you know experts

2571
01:35:44,030 --> 01:35:42,179
like my colleague Chris O'Brien who will

2572
01:35:46,070 --> 01:35:44,040
tell you that majority of these things

2573
01:35:48,530 --> 01:35:46,080
are mundane but it's that that small

2574
01:35:50,149 --> 01:35:48,540
number of cases that point to there

2575
01:35:52,310 --> 01:35:50,159
being something else and Chris doesn't

2576
01:35:55,490 --> 01:35:52,320
say aliens you know I've heard him say

2577
01:35:57,950 --> 01:35:55,500
jokingly sorry Linda you know it doesn't

2578
01:36:00,709 --> 01:35:57,960
seem to be aliens if anything Chris has

2579
01:36:01,970 --> 01:36:00,719
argued for years now that he thinks that

2580
01:36:04,370 --> 01:36:01,980
there's probably some sort of a

2581
01:36:07,370 --> 01:36:04,380
governmental monitoring program

2582
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:07,380
that is looking at the possibility of

2583
01:36:12,530 --> 01:36:09,360
radiation contamination and these sorts

2584
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:12,540
of things uh with regard to cattle and

2585
01:36:16,250 --> 01:36:13,800
that this has been something that's been

2586
01:36:18,830 --> 01:36:16,260
going on for many decades so at least

2587
01:36:21,530 --> 01:36:18,840
for my own part I feel like the cattle

2588
01:36:25,129 --> 01:36:21,540
mutilations in those instances they are

2589
01:36:27,050 --> 01:36:25,139
a clearly uh you know consistent

2590
01:36:29,750 --> 01:36:27,060
phenomenon that there's consistent

2591
01:36:31,070 --> 01:36:29,760
criteria that seem to denote those kinds

2592
01:36:33,649 --> 01:36:31,080
of cases the ones I looked at in

2593
01:36:35,030 --> 01:36:33,659
Colorado were not that and I think that

2594
01:36:36,709 --> 01:36:35,040
it's clear and it's important to

2595
01:36:38,149 --> 01:36:36,719
understand that there are things factors

2596
01:36:40,610 --> 01:36:38,159
that can contribute to the deaths of

2597
01:36:42,890 --> 01:36:40,620
cattle in those instances that may be

2598
01:36:45,890 --> 01:36:42,900
mistaken for cattle mutilations

2599
01:36:47,209 --> 01:36:45,900
uh and after you sent me this story no

2600
01:36:48,709 --> 01:36:47,219
joke I literally started looking at

2601
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:48,719
flights because I'm ready to fly to

2602
01:36:51,830 --> 01:36:49,920
Texas now and I'd like to go down there

2603
01:36:54,649 --> 01:36:51,840
and talk to those producers and look

2604
01:36:57,050 --> 01:36:54,659
into this I'm not kidding absolutely I I

2605
01:36:57,770 --> 01:36:57,060
knew you'd be on it I I knew it I knew

2606
01:37:03,470 --> 01:36:57,780
it

2607
01:37:05,510 --> 01:37:03,480
story really made the rounds um JL and

2608
01:37:07,729 --> 01:37:05,520
Heineken in the chat I gotta read this

2609
01:37:09,229 --> 01:37:07,739
to put things on a lighter note I think

2610
01:37:10,970 --> 01:37:09,239
I've heard the word anus more in this

2611
01:37:12,350 --> 01:37:10,980
live stream than Pat's ones yeah I'm

2612
01:37:14,570 --> 01:37:12,360
pretty sure I've never used the word

2613
01:37:17,149 --> 01:37:14,580
anus in any live stream I could be wrong

2614
01:37:21,410 --> 01:37:17,159
on that someone go back and dig in the

2615
01:37:23,090 --> 01:37:21,420
archives please but um yeah yeah well

2616
01:37:26,390 --> 01:37:23,100
hey I mean that's the reality of the

2617
01:37:28,370 --> 01:37:26,400
situation it's extremely graphic and and

2618
01:37:31,070 --> 01:37:28,380
unfortunate what happens to these

2619
01:37:33,649 --> 01:37:31,080
animals and um you know we're no closer

2620
01:37:35,510 --> 01:37:33,659
to answers and they seem to be happening

2621
01:37:37,669 --> 01:37:35,520
all over the U.S I'm sure in other

2622
01:37:40,129 --> 01:37:37,679
countries as well but a lot of it does

2623
01:37:41,689 --> 01:37:40,139
happen primarily in in the US at least

2624
01:37:43,490 --> 01:37:41,699
the ones we hear about in the western

2625
01:37:46,490 --> 01:37:43,500
world and

2626
01:37:48,290 --> 01:37:46,500
um they remain unexplained so yeah get

2627
01:37:50,990 --> 01:37:48,300
on that plane get over to Texas man we

2628
01:37:52,610 --> 01:37:51,000
need you on this case but I knew you'd

2629
01:37:54,890 --> 01:37:52,620
be the guy to come to very quickly and

2630
01:37:56,990 --> 01:37:54,900
reject to the I mean please it's not

2631
01:37:58,189 --> 01:37:57,000
impossible to occasionally hear about

2632
01:38:00,110 --> 01:37:58,199
these kind of things in other parts of

2633
01:38:02,209 --> 01:38:00,120
the world mutilation incidents involving

2634
01:38:03,649 --> 01:38:02,219
livestock but

2635
01:38:07,129 --> 01:38:03,659
um when I've reached out to my South

2636
01:38:09,290 --> 01:38:07,139
American uh uh correspondence in

2637
01:38:11,689 --> 01:38:09,300
especially in Brazil but in certain

2638
01:38:13,310 --> 01:38:11,699
other regions of Latin America they do

2639
01:38:14,750 --> 01:38:13,320
seem to say that there is less of it

2640
01:38:17,209 --> 01:38:14,760
there and depending on whom you ask

2641
01:38:20,270 --> 01:38:17,219
there seems to be less of that occurring

2642
01:38:22,850 --> 01:38:20,280
there which to me unlike UFOs which I

2643
01:38:26,330 --> 01:38:22,860
mean are reported all over the place uh

2644
01:38:28,910 --> 01:38:26,340
again my Brazilian colleagues would

2645
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,920
speak at length about the prevalence the

2646
01:38:32,570 --> 01:38:30,960
tremendous prevalence in the in the

2647
01:38:34,729 --> 01:38:32,580
history of National Security with

2648
01:38:36,189 --> 01:38:34,739
relation to that down in Brazil but they

2649
01:38:38,330 --> 01:38:36,199
say that there's a lot less of the

2650
01:38:40,610 --> 01:38:38,340
cattle mutilation kind of a thing which

2651
01:38:42,830 --> 01:38:40,620
again to me suggests that unlike UFOs

2652
01:38:45,830 --> 01:38:42,840
maybe cattlemutilation is something

2653
01:38:49,010 --> 01:38:45,840
that's primarily a U.S problem and if

2654
01:38:51,050 --> 01:38:49,020
again that that may lend some weight to

2655
01:38:52,910 --> 01:38:51,060
some of Chris O'Brien's uh theories

2656
01:38:56,030 --> 01:38:52,920
which I think really are probably in

2657
01:38:57,410 --> 01:38:56,040
some total the best assessment broadly

2658
01:38:58,729 --> 01:38:57,420
of the phenomenon and again he wrote

2659
01:39:00,830 --> 01:38:58,739
that excellent book years ago called

2660
01:39:02,570 --> 01:39:00,840
stalking the herd if anybody really

2661
01:39:04,370 --> 01:39:02,580
wants to take a serious deep dive into

2662
01:39:06,290 --> 01:39:04,380
cattle mutilations I mean that is the

2663
01:39:09,169 --> 01:39:06,300
book to read about it small things are

2664
01:39:12,350 --> 01:39:09,179
heard by Chris O'Brien absolutely can't

2665
01:39:15,410 --> 01:39:12,360
recommend it enough for sure

2666
01:39:17,390 --> 01:39:15,420
um awesome man well let's move to our

2667
01:39:19,550 --> 01:39:17,400
last story of the night we got there we

2668
01:39:21,410 --> 01:39:19,560
finally got there this has been a

2669
01:39:23,629 --> 01:39:21,420
jam-packed episode thanks for sticking

2670
01:39:24,590 --> 01:39:23,639
around buddy I truly appreciate your

2671
01:39:26,450 --> 01:39:24,600
time

2672
01:39:28,430 --> 01:39:26,460
um thanks to everyone in the chat I'm

2673
01:39:30,890 --> 01:39:28,440
trying to read all your comments guys um

2674
01:39:32,870 --> 01:39:30,900
Chad is a lively Tonight I'm loving it

2675
01:39:34,250 --> 01:39:32,880
and

2676
01:39:37,370 --> 01:39:34,260
um I do have to send out a special

2677
01:39:39,649 --> 01:39:37,380
thanks to um to Jazz Shaw he did give us

2678
01:39:41,689 --> 01:39:39,659
a super chat here that I was not able to

2679
01:39:43,910 --> 01:39:41,699
shout out um he left for the night but

2680
01:39:46,550 --> 01:39:43,920
thank you Jazz truly truly appreciate it

2681
01:39:49,250 --> 01:39:46,560
yeah always good to hear from Jazz yes

2682
01:39:51,290 --> 01:39:49,260
absolutely huge supporter of the channel

2683
01:39:53,330 --> 01:39:51,300
here in the podcast probably gonna have

2684
01:39:57,110 --> 01:39:53,340
them back on very soon

2685
01:40:00,470 --> 01:39:57,120
um okay Micah last story of the day we

2686
01:40:03,590 --> 01:40:00,480
have to end with our buddy our friend

2687
01:40:08,270 --> 01:40:03,600
our colleague our Nemesis our hero our

2688
01:40:11,570 --> 01:40:08,280
anti-hero the one the only Luis Elizondo

2689
01:40:13,850 --> 01:40:11,580
this story came out in Popular Mechanics

2690
01:40:16,669 --> 01:40:13,860
this past weekend

2691
01:40:18,470 --> 01:40:16,679
um the Elizondo saga continues the

2692
01:40:21,350 --> 01:40:18,480
article was called the truth is out

2693
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,360
there so is Lou Elizondo unidentified

2694
01:40:25,790 --> 01:40:23,280
craft are entering restricted U.S

2695
01:40:29,390 --> 01:40:25,800
airspace Elizondo wants to ensure they

2696
01:40:31,550 --> 01:40:29,400
don't call us the next Pearl Harbor so a

2697
01:40:34,250 --> 01:40:31,560
recent expose on Luis Elizondo was

2698
01:40:36,169 --> 01:40:34,260
published by pop MEK it went through a

2699
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:36,179
deeply thorough and personal journey

2700
01:40:40,790 --> 01:40:38,820
through elizondo's life growing up his

2701
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:40,800
life during his time in the military and

2702
01:40:46,189 --> 01:40:42,900
with the Department of Defense including

2703
01:40:48,770 --> 01:40:46,199
his work on atip it also chronicled his

2704
01:40:51,490 --> 01:40:48,780
resignation from atip the trials and

2705
01:40:54,229 --> 01:40:51,500
tribulations of his home life after this

2706
01:40:56,870 --> 01:40:54,239
uh his dealings with pushback from his

2707
01:40:58,870 --> 01:40:56,880
peers in Superior and what has been

2708
01:41:01,910 --> 01:40:58,880
accomplished in the UFO conversation

2709
01:41:03,229 --> 01:41:01,920
since he came forward

2710
01:41:06,709 --> 01:41:03,239
um but

2711
01:41:07,790 --> 01:41:06,719
this article Micah was huge it was

2712
01:41:10,310 --> 01:41:07,800
massive

2713
01:41:12,770 --> 01:41:10,320
um wonderful work by the gentleman who

2714
01:41:15,709 --> 01:41:12,780
wrote it uh I I never read anything else

2715
01:41:17,930 --> 01:41:15,719
by him but he did fantastic work on this

2716
01:41:19,490 --> 01:41:17,940
went and actually stayed with Elizondo

2717
01:41:21,770 --> 01:41:19,500
for a little while

2718
01:41:24,110 --> 01:41:21,780
um spoke to a lot of his colleagues and

2719
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:24,120
whatnot but what really stood out to me

2720
01:41:27,770 --> 01:41:26,280
is that quote you see at the bottom

2721
01:41:31,010 --> 01:41:27,780
there so I'm just going to go ahead and

2722
01:41:34,609 --> 01:41:31,020
read it and this quote came from a um a

2723
01:41:36,109 --> 01:41:34,619
intelligence colleague of elizondo's who

2724
01:41:38,689 --> 01:41:36,119
remained Anonymous

2725
01:41:41,810 --> 01:41:38,699
um but I did want to read this out an

2726
01:41:44,450 --> 01:41:41,820
army of more than 1500 volunteers within

2727
01:41:46,850 --> 01:41:44,460
the intelligence Community now meets on

2728
01:41:50,450 --> 01:41:46,860
classified networks where they analyze

2729
01:41:53,830 --> 01:41:50,460
UAP videos and data this group includes

2730
01:41:57,050 --> 01:41:53,840
literally everyone CIA to the National

2731
01:41:59,270 --> 01:41:57,060
geospatial Intelligence Agency and

2732
01:42:00,770 --> 01:41:59,280
everyone in between

2733
01:42:03,530 --> 01:42:00,780
um you know a lot of this article was

2734
01:42:06,350 --> 01:42:03,540
stuff we already knew it was cool to get

2735
01:42:08,209 --> 01:42:06,360
a more human side to Elizondo and the

2736
01:42:11,090 --> 01:42:08,219
you know kind of the consequences and

2737
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:11,100
ramifications for him resigning from his

2738
01:42:15,950 --> 01:42:13,920
position at the dod and also with

2739
01:42:17,810 --> 01:42:15,960
everything he brought forward and kind

2740
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:17,820
of where he's at right now in this

2741
01:42:22,790 --> 01:42:19,440
journey he's been on these past few

2742
01:42:26,209 --> 01:42:22,800
years but this quote really stopped me

2743
01:42:28,250 --> 01:42:26,219
in my tracks you know we've got a UA UAP

2744
01:42:30,830 --> 01:42:28,260
hearing that just took place with arrow

2745
01:42:32,990 --> 01:42:30,840
and we're learning of how small this

2746
01:42:35,990 --> 01:42:33,000
group is that's looking at UAP and then

2747
01:42:38,570 --> 01:42:36,000
we have this quote same 1500 volunteers

2748
01:42:42,410 --> 01:42:38,580
on you know these classified networks

2749
01:42:44,149 --> 01:42:42,420
are looking and analyzing UFO videos I I

2750
01:42:45,890 --> 01:42:44,159
immediately reached out to you I'm like

2751
01:42:49,010 --> 01:42:45,900
what the hell is this where did this

2752
01:42:50,149 --> 01:42:49,020
come from what what is going on so first

2753
01:42:51,050 --> 01:42:50,159
and foremost

2754
01:42:52,490 --> 01:42:51,060
um

2755
01:42:56,030 --> 01:42:52,500
what do you think what do you think

2756
01:42:57,590 --> 01:42:56,040
about this huge expose about Elizondo

2757
01:42:59,870 --> 01:42:57,600
coming out right now I find it

2758
01:43:01,550 --> 01:42:59,880
interesting it came out right now

2759
01:43:03,709 --> 01:43:01,560
um we know his book is going to be

2760
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:03,719
coming out hopefully this year

2761
01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:06,000
um but this quote what do you make of

2762
01:43:10,490 --> 01:43:07,260
this

2763
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:10,500
yeah I haven't had the time to read the

2764
01:43:14,330 --> 01:43:12,780
article yet and of course you and I

2765
01:43:15,890 --> 01:43:14,340
talked about this beforehand so I mean

2766
01:43:17,050 --> 01:43:15,900
specifically I know we're talking about

2767
01:43:19,490 --> 01:43:17,060
this quote and I definitely have

2768
01:43:20,990 --> 01:43:19,500
perspectives to add to that

2769
01:43:23,870 --> 01:43:21,000
um first I do just want to say I'd like

2770
01:43:25,729 --> 01:43:23,880
to read the pop Mac article

2771
01:43:29,450 --> 01:43:25,739
um good to see that they're still uh you

2772
01:43:31,070 --> 01:43:29,460
know providing in-depth uh analysis of

2773
01:43:32,270 --> 01:43:31,080
that aspect of it and the people who've

2774
01:43:34,250 --> 01:43:32,280
been involved because again I really

2775
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:34,260
think that somebody who led the charge

2776
01:43:39,770 --> 01:43:36,960
with that is my co-founder and cohort my

2777
01:43:41,450 --> 01:43:39,780
good buddy Tim McMillan who prior to us

2778
01:43:43,310 --> 01:43:41,460
founding the debrief back when I was

2779
01:43:45,470 --> 01:43:43,320
just pitching an idea to him for a Blog

2780
01:43:47,330 --> 01:43:45,480
I'd said you wait I said all these

2781
01:43:48,470 --> 01:43:47,340
magazines that are so interested in UFOs

2782
01:43:50,689 --> 01:43:48,480
right now it's going to be harder and

2783
01:43:52,850 --> 01:43:50,699
harder to get published stories about

2784
01:43:53,930 --> 01:43:52,860
that frequently we we wanted to create a

2785
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:53,940
medium where we could do that with the

2786
01:43:57,709 --> 01:43:55,920
debrief and that's what we did but

2787
01:43:59,689 --> 01:43:57,719
before we ever launched that effort Tim

2788
01:44:01,850 --> 01:43:59,699
you know was doing excellent reporting

2789
01:44:04,010 --> 01:44:01,860
on that subject getting to know Lou

2790
01:44:05,870 --> 01:44:04,020
Elizondo and others in government as

2791
01:44:06,950 --> 01:44:05,880
I've also done in recent years and to

2792
01:44:08,930 --> 01:44:06,960
that point

2793
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:08,940
the quote that you shared there is not

2794
01:44:13,550 --> 01:44:10,800
particularly surprising to me and I can

2795
01:44:14,990 --> 01:44:13,560
tell you one great reason why

2796
01:44:16,729 --> 01:44:15,000
um citing another individual that Lou

2797
01:44:18,229 --> 01:44:16,739
knows very well and that has recently

2798
01:44:20,090 --> 01:44:18,239
kind of come into the public Spotlight

2799
01:44:22,310 --> 01:44:20,100
with relation to his involvement with

2800
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:22,320
UAP investigation I've already mentioned

2801
01:44:27,950 --> 01:44:24,900
his name previously that's Jay Stratton

2802
01:44:29,689 --> 01:44:27,960
I think very highly of Jay Stratton

2803
01:44:31,729 --> 01:44:29,699
um I don't keep in touch with him

2804
01:44:33,530 --> 01:44:31,739
frequently but we do remain in contact

2805
01:44:37,790 --> 01:44:33,540
and

2806
01:44:39,709 --> 01:44:37,800
an off the record conversation I didn't

2807
01:44:41,930 --> 01:44:39,719
sit down and interview him

2808
01:44:43,250 --> 01:44:41,940
uh you know because frankly with the

2809
01:44:45,109 --> 01:44:43,260
exception of one interview that he gave

2810
01:44:47,209 --> 01:44:45,119
to journalist George Knapp in fact the

2811
01:44:48,770 --> 01:44:47,219
same weekend that I sat down met Jay and

2812
01:44:50,390 --> 01:44:48,780
got to know him

2813
01:44:52,010 --> 01:44:50,400
um we were all there together at a

2814
01:44:54,709 --> 01:44:52,020
scientific Coalition for UAP studies

2815
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:54,719
event in Huntsville Alabama

2816
01:45:00,950 --> 01:44:57,600
um but the final day of that event I'd

2817
01:45:03,109 --> 01:45:00,960
gone downstairs and I was sitting there

2818
01:45:04,850 --> 01:45:03,119
uh listening to one of the lectures and

2819
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,860
shortly thereafter my colleague Chrissy

2820
01:45:09,530 --> 01:45:07,440
Newton came down and also uh joined me

2821
01:45:11,510 --> 01:45:09,540
over at the table there where I was

2822
01:45:13,370 --> 01:45:11,520
and and I glanced over my shoulder into

2823
01:45:15,350 --> 01:45:13,380
the back of the room is Jay Stratton and

2824
01:45:17,990 --> 01:45:15,360
he kind of gets my attention and you

2825
01:45:19,790 --> 01:45:18,000
know motions toward me and so I said uh

2826
01:45:20,810 --> 01:45:19,800
Newton Stratton wants to talk I'll be

2827
01:45:22,550 --> 01:45:20,820
right back

2828
01:45:24,709 --> 01:45:22,560
actually grab your things

2829
01:45:26,330 --> 01:45:24,719
we're going out here together and so I

2830
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:26,340
brought Newton with me and she and I we

2831
01:45:29,510 --> 01:45:27,360
sat down

2832
01:45:31,129 --> 01:45:29,520
Jay was very kind uh he he wanted to

2833
01:45:32,810 --> 01:45:31,139
catch up and talk and a lot of the

2834
01:45:34,370 --> 01:45:32,820
reason why he wanted to talk to us is

2835
01:45:36,470 --> 01:45:34,380
because again he'd spoken to Tim in the

2836
01:45:37,970 --> 01:45:36,480
past and everything and uh you might say

2837
01:45:40,490 --> 01:45:37,980
it was built somewhat on the reputation

2838
01:45:42,290 --> 01:45:40,500
of the debrief and and you know our work

2839
01:45:44,750 --> 01:45:42,300
as journalists

2840
01:45:46,669 --> 01:45:44,760
um but I really just wanted to talk shop

2841
01:45:49,430 --> 01:45:46,679
with him this is what I wanted to do

2842
01:45:51,830 --> 01:45:49,440
this wasn't about being a journalist uh

2843
01:45:53,330 --> 01:45:51,840
because and I'll admit this when I put

2844
01:45:55,250 --> 01:45:53,340
my journalist hat on

2845
01:45:58,310 --> 01:45:55,260
and I'm recovering science and defense

2846
01:46:00,290 --> 01:45:58,320
issues I'm not always a UFO God

2847
01:46:01,850 --> 01:46:00,300
but in the background I'm always a UFO

2848
01:46:03,169 --> 01:46:01,860
guy first and foremost and so are you

2849
01:46:05,090 --> 01:46:03,179
and you know that about me you and I

2850
01:46:06,649 --> 01:46:05,100
both right and sometimes we may be

2851
01:46:08,629 --> 01:46:06,659
involved in other endeavors and we do

2852
01:46:10,669 --> 01:46:08,639
our day jobs and things like that but I

2853
01:46:12,350 --> 01:46:10,679
mean I I am

2854
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:12,360
through and through someone who is

2855
01:46:15,890 --> 01:46:14,400
skeptically inclined but fascinated with

2856
01:46:17,750 --> 01:46:15,900
the UFO subject

2857
01:46:19,490 --> 01:46:17,760
and so the opportunity to sit and talk

2858
01:46:21,169 --> 01:46:19,500
with the former director of the UAP task

2859
01:46:22,910 --> 01:46:21,179
force was very significant one of the

2860
01:46:24,530 --> 01:46:22,920
big takeaways from that conversation

2861
01:46:25,790 --> 01:46:24,540
with you was off record I'm going to go

2862
01:46:27,709 --> 01:46:25,800
spill the beans and talk about a bunch

2863
01:46:29,629 --> 01:46:27,719
of stuff he didn't convey any kind of

2864
01:46:31,490 --> 01:46:29,639
secret information to me he is a patriot

2865
01:46:33,890 --> 01:46:31,500
and he takes his job very seriously in

2866
01:46:35,390 --> 01:46:33,900
his classifications and his Oaths to

2867
01:46:37,609 --> 01:46:35,400
government and everything I appreciate

2868
01:46:40,310 --> 01:46:37,619
that about Jay I think that some of the

2869
01:46:42,470 --> 01:46:40,320
mischaracterizations of him by certain

2870
01:46:44,629 --> 01:46:42,480
people in the you know in the media and

2871
01:46:46,189 --> 01:46:44,639
online and on social media

2872
01:46:47,629 --> 01:46:46,199
they haven't met him they haven't spoken

2873
01:46:49,310 --> 01:46:47,639
with him I have and I can assure you

2874
01:46:50,870 --> 01:46:49,320
this is a highly intelligent highly

2875
01:46:52,430 --> 01:46:50,880
skilled highly trained intelligence

2876
01:46:54,410 --> 01:46:52,440
official who takes this subject very

2877
01:46:56,330 --> 01:46:54,420
seriously and appears to still maintain

2878
01:46:58,790 --> 01:46:56,340
an interest in the subject now

2879
01:47:01,010 --> 01:46:58,800
that said at one point I mentioned the

2880
01:47:02,570 --> 01:47:01,020
Navy UAP task force and he kind of

2881
01:47:04,609 --> 01:47:02,580
stopped and goes he says

2882
01:47:07,430 --> 01:47:04,619
honestly kind of dislike it when people

2883
01:47:09,410 --> 01:47:07,440
refer to it as the Navy UAP task force

2884
01:47:12,109 --> 01:47:09,420
it was established under the cognizance

2885
01:47:13,729 --> 01:47:12,119
of the Department of the Navy but Jay

2886
01:47:15,350 --> 01:47:13,739
was clear in saying look you got to keep

2887
01:47:18,109 --> 01:47:15,360
in mind before the official

2888
01:47:20,149 --> 01:47:18,119
establishment of the UAP task force you

2889
01:47:23,209 --> 01:47:20,159
may recall actually Susan Goff provided

2890
01:47:26,570 --> 01:47:23,219
a quote to researcher Roger Glassell

2891
01:47:29,810 --> 01:47:26,580
talking about an interagency task force

2892
01:47:32,209 --> 01:47:29,820
that was looking at this issue and uh

2893
01:47:34,430 --> 01:47:32,219
and then it came out first and actually

2894
01:47:36,050 --> 01:47:34,440
a language draft language

2895
01:47:38,330 --> 01:47:36,060
uh for a Senate bill that ended up

2896
01:47:41,450 --> 01:47:38,340
actually going into the uh ndaa for I

2897
01:47:42,470 --> 01:47:41,460
think fiscal year 2020 maybe 2021 at

2898
01:47:45,050 --> 01:47:42,480
that point

2899
01:47:46,910 --> 01:47:45,060
but um that was the first place where

2900
01:47:48,050 --> 01:47:46,920
UAP task force appeared actually it

2901
01:47:49,609 --> 01:47:48,060
first appeared I think on John

2902
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:49,619
greenwald's website because just

2903
01:47:52,850 --> 01:47:50,880
speculating

2904
01:47:55,070 --> 01:47:52,860
based on the quote given to Glass so he

2905
01:47:56,270 --> 01:47:55,080
said do we have a UAP task force then

2906
01:47:58,430 --> 01:47:56,280
there was draft language in that bill

2907
01:48:01,189 --> 01:47:58,440
and then norquist actually at the time I

2908
01:48:02,810 --> 01:48:01,199
think acting Deputy uh Secretary of

2909
01:48:05,270 --> 01:48:02,820
Defense I think

2910
01:48:06,169 --> 01:48:05,280
um he actually uh under the cognizance

2911
01:48:08,149 --> 01:48:06,179
of the Department of the Navy

2912
01:48:10,790 --> 01:48:08,159
established officially this UAP task

2913
01:48:12,830 --> 01:48:10,800
force but the thing is that interagency

2914
01:48:14,450 --> 01:48:12,840
task force had already existed for a

2915
01:48:16,370 --> 01:48:14,460
while so back to the conversation with

2916
01:48:17,090 --> 01:48:16,380
Stratton he kind of looked at me and he

2917
01:48:20,209 --> 01:48:17,100
said

2918
01:48:22,669 --> 01:48:20,219
this has been a thing where multiple

2919
01:48:24,649 --> 01:48:22,679
agencies in government you know some of

2920
01:48:27,290 --> 01:48:24,659
the best intelligence agencies on the

2921
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:27,300
job they're all you know looking at this

2922
01:48:31,790 --> 01:48:29,760
and some communicate with others better

2923
01:48:33,830 --> 01:48:31,800
than others others don't and try to

2924
01:48:35,270 --> 01:48:33,840
communicate as little as possible this

2925
01:48:38,390 --> 01:48:35,280
kind of comes back also to the issue

2926
01:48:40,270 --> 01:48:38,400
that um that Dr Sean Kirkpatrick is now

2927
01:48:43,129 --> 01:48:40,280
encountering with the so-called title 50

2928
01:48:44,629 --> 01:48:43,139
situation right he had he he had he's

2929
01:48:47,149 --> 01:48:44,639
limited with the amount of information

2930
01:48:50,450 --> 01:48:47,159
that he can access that the intelligence

2931
01:48:52,310 --> 01:48:50,460
Community has with relation to UAP So to

2932
01:48:54,590 --> 01:48:52,320
that quote from the new Elizondo article

2933
01:48:56,030 --> 01:48:54,600
my read on that is something that many

2934
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:56,040
have told me and that actually has been

2935
01:49:01,430 --> 01:48:57,840
talked about quite a bit already

2936
01:49:03,050 --> 01:49:01,440
there is an interagency effort uh

2937
01:49:04,790 --> 01:49:03,060
multiple different agencies that are

2938
01:49:06,830 --> 01:49:04,800
being that are involved in this again

2939
01:49:08,810 --> 01:49:06,840
that very quote says it's CIA to the

2940
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:08,820
National geospatial Intelligence Agency

2941
01:49:11,570 --> 01:49:10,320
one of the friendliest agencies I've

2942
01:49:13,550 --> 01:49:11,580
ever worked with in attempts at trying

2943
01:49:14,930 --> 01:49:13,560
to gain access through foia to

2944
01:49:17,510 --> 01:49:14,940
information about this although those

2945
01:49:19,189 --> 01:49:17,520
foyers were largely unsuccessful I mean

2946
01:49:21,890 --> 01:49:19,199
we've reached out my colleagues and out

2947
01:49:23,870 --> 01:49:21,900
of basically all these agencies make no

2948
01:49:25,850 --> 01:49:23,880
mistake there may be an arrow there may

2949
01:49:27,410 --> 01:49:25,860
have been a UAP task force before that

2950
01:49:29,930 --> 01:49:27,420
that's

2951
01:49:32,450 --> 01:49:29,940
in terms of the actual component within

2952
01:49:34,609 --> 01:49:32,460
government that is that is designed with

2953
01:49:37,250 --> 01:49:34,619
the express intent of

2954
01:49:40,790 --> 01:49:37,260
and for the mission of evaluating UAP

2955
01:49:43,070 --> 01:49:40,800
right currently that's Arrow but make no

2956
01:49:43,910 --> 01:49:43,080
mistake just like Kirkpatrick was saying

2957
01:49:45,470 --> 01:49:43,920
we're going to try and make this

2958
01:49:47,209 --> 01:49:45,480
somebody else's problem there won't be a

2959
01:49:49,250 --> 01:49:47,219
need for arrow in the future

2960
01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:49,260
there are plenty of agencies that are

2961
01:49:52,370 --> 01:49:50,760
already looking I'm surprised they only

2962
01:49:54,590 --> 01:49:52,380
say 1500 volunteers because there's

2963
01:49:57,350 --> 01:49:54,600
probably more than that the amount of

2964
01:49:58,970 --> 01:49:57,360
eyes that must be on this topic within

2965
01:50:01,550 --> 01:49:58,980
the intelligence Community I mean it

2966
01:50:03,410 --> 01:50:01,560
must be unprecedented but again

2967
01:50:05,870 --> 01:50:03,420
we know very little about that apart

2968
01:50:07,070 --> 01:50:05,880
from these kinds of conversations and

2969
01:50:09,470 --> 01:50:07,080
the conversations that you know

2970
01:50:11,450 --> 01:50:09,480
journalists like I uh and my colleagues

2971
01:50:13,189 --> 01:50:11,460
and and I have with people who have

2972
01:50:14,510 --> 01:50:13,199
worked in that position what little they

2973
01:50:16,970 --> 01:50:14,520
can tell us

2974
01:50:18,350 --> 01:50:16,980
you know with adherence to their own

2975
01:50:20,209 --> 01:50:18,360
Oaths to government and the protection

2976
01:50:21,890 --> 01:50:20,219
of National Security interests so it's

2977
01:50:23,990 --> 01:50:21,900
frustrating at times for a soul guard

2978
01:50:27,590 --> 01:50:24,000
UFO guys Ryan gosh are we getting old

2979
01:50:28,850 --> 01:50:27,600
that's Old Guard UFO guys when we're

2980
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:28,860
looking at all this and it's like we've

2981
01:50:33,410 --> 01:50:30,719
moved into this Brave New World where

2982
01:50:35,870 --> 01:50:33,420
you have to kind of be a part-time

2983
01:50:37,970 --> 01:50:35,880
expert on government and policy and all

2984
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:37,980
these kinds of things but at the at the

2985
01:50:41,570 --> 01:50:39,119
end of the day

2986
01:50:43,790 --> 01:50:41,580
what interests me is the phenomenon

2987
01:50:46,490 --> 01:50:43,800
right and how science can be applied

2988
01:50:48,050 --> 01:50:46,500
toward understanding the phenomenon and

2989
01:50:51,229 --> 01:50:48,060
then more fundamentally even than that

2990
01:50:53,330 --> 01:50:51,239
what to us as humans does the phenomenon

2991
01:50:56,270 --> 01:50:53,340
represent and what does that mean going

2992
01:50:58,430 --> 01:50:56,280
forward that's what's important

2993
01:50:59,930 --> 01:50:58,440
and so I'm not surprised by that

2994
01:51:02,030 --> 01:50:59,940
statement I look forward to reading the

2995
01:51:03,649 --> 01:51:02,040
article but again at the end of the day

2996
01:51:05,510 --> 01:51:03,659
the thing that really interests me is

2997
01:51:07,669 --> 01:51:05,520
the phenomenon and how we as humans can

2998
01:51:09,470 --> 01:51:07,679
relate to it I mean I'm reminded of an

2999
01:51:12,350 --> 01:51:09,480
excellent book that takes this kind of

3000
01:51:14,450 --> 01:51:12,360
human approach to an alien phenomenon

3001
01:51:16,010 --> 01:51:14,460
right guys

3002
01:51:17,870 --> 01:51:16,020
that seems to be at the core of it all

3003
01:51:20,270 --> 01:51:17,880
doesn't it

3004
01:51:23,270 --> 01:51:20,280
I love you brother okay I I always

3005
01:51:26,330 --> 01:51:23,280
appreciate the shout outs hey it's it's

3006
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:26,340
true though you know um and I had kind

3007
01:51:31,129 --> 01:51:29,280
of this uh I was at a Crossroads with

3008
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:31,139
somewhere in the skies a few months back

3009
01:51:39,109 --> 01:51:36,719
where um I was so exhausted from the

3010
01:51:43,189 --> 01:51:39,119
Navy Tic Tacs and the government talk

3011
01:51:47,149 --> 01:51:43,199
and this and that and um and this is by

3012
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:47,159
no means a slight to the guest I had on

3013
01:51:51,169 --> 01:51:49,199
when this Crossroads occurred that was

3014
01:51:53,510 --> 01:51:51,179
the one and only Alex Dietrich which I

3015
01:51:56,090 --> 01:51:53,520
will forever be grateful and honored

3016
01:51:59,810 --> 01:51:56,100
that she came on my little show

3017
01:52:02,149 --> 01:51:59,820
um but after that conversation I had a

3018
01:52:04,910 --> 01:52:02,159
moment of reflection where I went back

3019
01:52:06,770 --> 01:52:04,920
into my archives and looked at my

3020
01:52:09,470 --> 01:52:06,780
earlier episodes of the show my witness

3021
01:52:11,330 --> 01:52:09,480
accounts um yeah or you know just

3022
01:52:15,109 --> 01:52:11,340
talking about Close Encounters in UFO

3023
01:52:17,570 --> 01:52:15,119
sightings and like you said it's like if

3024
01:52:20,169 --> 01:52:17,580
you're gonna be a ufologist nowadays or

3025
01:52:23,390 --> 01:52:20,179
I shouldn't use the term ufologist

3026
01:52:24,470 --> 01:52:23,400
a UFO researcher I guess

3027
01:52:25,970 --> 01:52:24,480
um

3028
01:52:29,270 --> 01:52:25,980
you have to know how the government

3029
01:52:32,209 --> 01:52:29,280
works you have to know the different

3030
01:52:34,850 --> 01:52:32,219
um you know every you have to know every

3031
01:52:36,109 --> 01:52:34,860
fact about every intelligence agency you

3032
01:52:39,050 --> 01:52:36,119
got to know this that this that this

3033
01:52:43,250 --> 01:52:39,060
that to get anywhere in the conversation

3034
01:52:45,709 --> 01:52:43,260
um and I was just so done with it and a

3035
01:52:49,070 --> 01:52:45,719
lot of it had to do I think with the um

3036
01:52:52,070 --> 01:52:49,080
the last UAP task force report that came

3037
01:52:55,790 --> 01:52:52,080
out I just had a moment of like

3038
01:52:58,430 --> 01:52:55,800
uh okay I I give up like this is going

3039
01:53:01,070 --> 01:52:58,440
nowhere I'm so done

3040
01:53:02,870 --> 01:53:01,080
I want to go back to where somewhere in

3041
01:53:04,970 --> 01:53:02,880
the sky started and that's the stories

3042
01:53:06,410 --> 01:53:04,980
that's the people having the the

3043
01:53:08,390 --> 01:53:06,420
experiences

3044
01:53:10,970 --> 01:53:08,400
um however

3045
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:10,980
when you finally have the head of Arrow

3046
01:53:17,649 --> 01:53:14,159
come out and do this Senate hearing and

3047
01:53:21,169 --> 01:53:17,659
talk the way he did and um

3048
01:53:22,010 --> 01:53:21,179
be so uh what's the word

3049
01:53:24,890 --> 01:53:22,020
um

3050
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:24,900
so uh he he made it so easy to

3051
01:53:28,189 --> 01:53:26,880
understand it gave me hope that someone

3052
01:53:30,350 --> 01:53:28,199
like me who knows nothing about

3053
01:53:34,189 --> 01:53:30,360
government knows nothing about how

3054
01:53:36,830 --> 01:53:34,199
bureaucracy works or or how to even do a

3055
01:53:39,530 --> 01:53:36,840
foia request or anything like that

3056
01:53:42,169 --> 01:53:39,540
um it gave me hope that yes I can still

3057
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:42,179
be a part of this conversation

3058
01:53:46,070 --> 01:53:43,679
um so I don't know where this long

3059
01:53:48,470 --> 01:53:46,080
diatribe is going that I just said um

3060
01:53:51,050 --> 01:53:48,480
except that it's good to see an article

3061
01:53:53,450 --> 01:53:51,060
come out about someone like Elizondo and

3062
01:53:56,030 --> 01:53:53,460
hear the human side of it

3063
01:53:58,790 --> 01:53:56,040
um so I was really I was I really left

3064
01:54:00,290 --> 01:53:58,800
this article being like this is cool I

3065
01:54:02,570 --> 01:54:00,300
want more of this I want to hear more

3066
01:54:04,850 --> 01:54:02,580
about Kirkpatrick I want to hear more

3067
01:54:06,649 --> 01:54:04,860
about Stratton and what got them

3068
01:54:08,149 --> 01:54:06,659
interested in this stuff and and this

3069
01:54:10,250 --> 01:54:08,159
and that this and that

3070
01:54:12,770 --> 01:54:10,260
um so yeah I guess that's kind of my

3071
01:54:14,629 --> 01:54:12,780
reflection on all of this yeah all of

3072
01:54:16,310 --> 01:54:14,639
this conversation going on Ryan I think

3073
01:54:17,510 --> 01:54:16,320
the the stories are very important again

3074
01:54:20,030 --> 01:54:17,520
you know

3075
01:54:22,729 --> 01:54:20,040
there there are those

3076
01:54:24,649 --> 01:54:22,739
who and I have some sympathy for this

3077
01:54:25,729 --> 01:54:24,659
argument I really do in this era where

3078
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:25,739
now with

3079
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:28,080
so much computer science and with with

3080
01:54:32,030 --> 01:54:30,239
the ability to collect more data

3081
01:54:34,370 --> 01:54:32,040
you know we don't just have radar and

3082
01:54:36,229 --> 01:54:34,380
visual we have a whole variety of

3083
01:54:37,790 --> 01:54:36,239
different sensory capabilities which

3084
01:54:40,189 --> 01:54:37,800
actually I mean for decades we've had

3085
01:54:42,590 --> 01:54:40,199
the ability to detect you know

3086
01:54:44,090 --> 01:54:42,600
um radar and and um and radio

3087
01:54:46,550 --> 01:54:44,100
frequencies and different kinds of

3088
01:54:48,050 --> 01:54:46,560
things like this radiation there are a

3089
01:54:49,790 --> 01:54:48,060
variety of different

3090
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:49,800
I guess

3091
01:54:54,229 --> 01:54:52,260
sensory capabilities that science and

3092
01:54:55,609 --> 01:54:54,239
government have had at their disposal to

3093
01:54:58,010 --> 01:54:55,619
try and detect

3094
01:55:00,709 --> 01:54:58,020
and to measure and to gauge aspects of

3095
01:55:03,410 --> 01:55:00,719
the so-called phenomenon right

3096
01:55:04,729 --> 01:55:03,420
um but in this modern era I would argue

3097
01:55:06,709 --> 01:55:04,739
that we have a whole lot more of that

3098
01:55:08,330 --> 01:55:06,719
and in the existing technology that

3099
01:55:11,450 --> 01:55:08,340
we've had for decades is far more

3100
01:55:13,850 --> 01:55:11,460
sophisticated and capable and so we have

3101
01:55:16,490 --> 01:55:13,860
this unique capability now this unique

3102
01:55:18,950 --> 01:55:16,500
opportunity really to use better

3103
01:55:21,229 --> 01:55:18,960
capabilities than we've ever had before

3104
01:55:23,030 --> 01:55:21,239
artificial intelligence once again plays

3105
01:55:24,890 --> 01:55:23,040
into this because with artificial

3106
01:55:26,750 --> 01:55:24,900
intelligence and machine learning it can

3107
01:55:28,189 --> 01:55:26,760
speed the process at which humans are

3108
01:55:31,189 --> 01:55:28,199
able to analyze

3109
01:55:33,470 --> 01:55:31,199
and process that data and arrows hoping

3110
01:55:34,970 --> 01:55:33,480
to do that too Dr Kirkpatrick is aiming

3111
01:55:37,550 --> 01:55:34,980
to try and not only

3112
01:55:40,430 --> 01:55:37,560
resolve certain UAP cases but also to

3113
01:55:42,470 --> 01:55:40,440
take information that is gleaned as a

3114
01:55:45,410 --> 01:55:42,480
product of the resolution of certain

3115
01:55:48,229 --> 01:55:45,420
cases and to build models that allow

3116
01:55:49,970 --> 01:55:48,239
future evaluations of similar cases to

3117
01:55:51,830 --> 01:55:49,980
perhaps be carried out more quickly with

3118
01:55:53,930 --> 01:55:51,840
the assistance of machine learning see

3119
01:55:57,050 --> 01:55:53,940
we have all of these different tools Now

3120
01:55:59,510 --> 01:55:57,060
new tools and also better tools than

3121
01:56:01,550 --> 01:55:59,520
we've had in the past that may both

3122
01:56:04,010 --> 01:56:01,560
speed but also make more efficient and

3123
01:56:06,109 --> 01:56:04,020
capable our ability to analyze this

3124
01:56:07,669 --> 01:56:06,119
phenomenon a lot of people are like why

3125
01:56:09,169 --> 01:56:07,679
do these UFOs all of a sudden just start

3126
01:56:11,810 --> 01:56:09,179
showing up that's why you know new

3127
01:56:13,129 --> 01:56:11,820
technologies are helping to facilitate a

3128
01:56:14,570 --> 01:56:13,139
better understanding of something that I

3129
01:56:17,030 --> 01:56:14,580
suspect has been here for a long time

3130
01:56:19,850 --> 01:56:17,040
much like how after the second world war

3131
01:56:21,830 --> 01:56:19,860
and we begin to use radar right

3132
01:56:23,629 --> 01:56:21,840
we suddenly detect objects up there in

3133
01:56:25,010 --> 01:56:23,639
the skies people have been saying for

3134
01:56:27,050 --> 01:56:25,020
centuries they were seeing things in the

3135
01:56:29,270 --> 01:56:27,060
sky but once after the second world war

3136
01:56:31,609 --> 01:56:29,280
radar first is used by the United States

3137
01:56:34,010 --> 01:56:31,619
and Canada and Britain and you know

3138
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:34,020
other countries around the world yeah

3139
01:56:37,010 --> 01:56:35,520
sure we start detecting these things

3140
01:56:39,290 --> 01:56:37,020
that people had been saying for a while

3141
01:56:42,050 --> 01:56:39,300
they were seeing and as time goes on

3142
01:56:42,890 --> 01:56:42,060
more and more Technologies corroborate

3143
01:56:44,689 --> 01:56:42,900
what

3144
01:56:46,070 --> 01:56:44,699
that's right the eyewitness accounts the

3145
01:56:48,770 --> 01:56:46,080
stories

3146
01:56:51,649 --> 01:56:48,780
and we often see this this question you

3147
01:56:54,530 --> 01:56:51,659
know is a story of a sighting of a UFO

3148
01:56:56,990 --> 01:56:54,540
good is it useful at all no they're just

3149
01:56:58,250 --> 01:56:57,000
stories what we need is data some

3150
01:57:00,709 --> 01:56:58,260
Skeptics you know like Mick West

3151
01:57:03,169 --> 01:57:00,719
continue to argue that we don't see any

3152
01:57:05,930 --> 01:57:03,179
data that's truly extraordinary and

3153
01:57:07,370 --> 01:57:05,940
therefore ufology is dead again I'll

3154
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:07,380
push back on Mick a little bit on that

3155
01:57:11,629 --> 01:57:09,360
point because first of all there may be

3156
01:57:14,270 --> 01:57:11,639
some presumptions and biases at work

3157
01:57:16,790 --> 01:57:14,280
right there what is your criteria for

3158
01:57:19,310 --> 01:57:16,800
anomaly you know what evidence informs

3159
01:57:21,169 --> 01:57:19,320
your perspective that something worthy

3160
01:57:22,609 --> 01:57:21,179
of study has to exhibit that truly

3161
01:57:25,310 --> 01:57:22,619
anomalous character what if something

3162
01:57:27,169 --> 01:57:25,320
that was truly exotic and extraordinary

3163
01:57:29,930 --> 01:57:27,179
to humans is a scientific discovery

3164
01:57:32,510 --> 01:57:29,940
exhibited no you know hyper acceleration

3165
01:57:34,129 --> 01:57:32,520
or other you know magical capabilities

3166
01:57:36,830 --> 01:57:34,139
but it nonetheless was something that

3167
01:57:38,510 --> 01:57:36,840
represented for instance a hypothetical

3168
01:57:40,550 --> 01:57:38,520
alien technology

3169
01:57:42,589 --> 01:57:40,560
again then on the other side of things

3170
01:57:44,030 --> 01:57:42,599
we have the Believers who have all their

3171
01:57:44,990 --> 01:57:44,040
insistence on but here's what's

3172
01:57:46,490 --> 01:57:45,000
happening you know there's a

3173
01:57:49,129 --> 01:57:46,500
hybridization program certain

3174
01:57:50,570 --> 01:57:49,139
extraterrestrial hybrids are immersing

3175
01:57:52,729 --> 01:57:50,580
themselves in our culture and they're

3176
01:57:54,890 --> 01:57:52,739
living among us right here today and

3177
01:57:57,290 --> 01:57:54,900
it's a you know it's like a pod people

3178
01:58:00,169 --> 01:57:57,300
Earth takeover by aliens that have been

3179
01:58:01,970 --> 01:58:00,179
here for a long time you know again at

3180
01:58:04,310 --> 01:58:01,980
some point we have to recognize that

3181
01:58:06,649 --> 01:58:04,320
some stories sound awful lot like

3182
01:58:08,810 --> 01:58:06,659
fiction but there are some stories that

3183
01:58:09,950 --> 01:58:08,820
I think are useful they're not just

3184
01:58:11,870 --> 01:58:09,960
stories

3185
01:58:14,089 --> 01:58:11,880
and just because they don't have those

3186
01:58:16,070 --> 01:58:14,099
same remarkable characteristics that

3187
01:58:18,169 --> 01:58:16,080
many Believers seem to want that means

3188
01:58:20,270 --> 01:58:18,179
they're useless maybe we should say

3189
01:58:22,310 --> 01:58:20,280
ly and soberly

3190
01:58:24,770 --> 01:58:22,320
that at the core of this we as humans

3191
01:58:26,990 --> 01:58:24,780
rely on those stories to convey

3192
01:58:28,910 --> 01:58:27,000
experiences and outside of the human

3193
01:58:31,550 --> 01:58:28,920
experience with the phenomenon what does

3194
01:58:33,290 --> 01:58:31,560
it matter to humans anyway yeah the

3195
01:58:35,270 --> 01:58:33,300
stories matter the stories are at the

3196
01:58:37,310 --> 01:58:35,280
core of the essence of how humans relate

3197
01:58:38,990 --> 01:58:37,320
to all this so I think what you said is

3198
01:58:40,689 --> 01:58:39,000
very important we need those stories but

3199
01:58:42,890 --> 01:58:40,699
we need to corroborate those stories

3200
01:58:45,649 --> 01:58:42,900
increasingly with time with the better

3201
01:58:48,290 --> 01:58:45,659
data that we're equipped with and this

3202
01:58:50,169 --> 01:58:48,300
phenomenon if be there a phenomena may

3203
01:58:52,609 --> 01:58:50,179
not end up being what we thought it was

3204
01:58:55,490 --> 01:58:52,619
but we may still learn some things and

3205
01:58:58,790 --> 01:58:55,500
that my friends is how science works

3206
01:59:01,550 --> 01:58:58,800
Amen brother oh I could not think of a

3207
01:59:04,370 --> 01:59:01,560
better way to end this man

3208
01:59:07,490 --> 01:59:04,380
um hope hope for the future I I'm very

3209
01:59:08,990 --> 01:59:07,500
hopeful for the UFO topic moving into

3210
01:59:12,109 --> 01:59:09,000
the latter

3211
01:59:13,609 --> 01:59:12,119
um Mid to ladder part of this year

3212
01:59:16,250 --> 01:59:13,619
um science is where it's at we're gonna

3213
01:59:19,189 --> 01:59:16,260
get this NASA study in the coming months

3214
01:59:21,890 --> 01:59:19,199
as well which I'm excited about and um

3215
01:59:24,649 --> 01:59:21,900
we will get the the annual report from

3216
01:59:26,689 --> 01:59:24,659
Arrow as well which would be really cool

3217
01:59:30,109 --> 01:59:26,699
yeah yeah

3218
01:59:31,669 --> 01:59:30,119
um so I have hope I have hope and um I

3219
01:59:35,169 --> 01:59:31,679
have hope for the future of this topic

3220
01:59:37,790 --> 01:59:35,179
those researching it those investigated

3221
01:59:40,970 --> 01:59:37,800
investigating it within government and

3222
01:59:44,330 --> 01:59:40,980
outside government as well there's room

3223
01:59:46,010 --> 01:59:44,340
at the table for everybody in this vast

3224
01:59:49,010 --> 01:59:46,020
array of phenomena we seem to be

3225
01:59:51,410 --> 01:59:49,020
experiencing so um I'm so honored that

3226
01:59:53,870 --> 01:59:51,420
you're one of those colleagues that I

3227
01:59:55,450 --> 01:59:53,880
continue to take this Pursuit with my

3228
01:59:59,149 --> 01:59:55,460
friend so um

3229
02:00:01,729 --> 01:59:59,159
lastly but not leastly where can we find

3230
02:00:03,350 --> 02:00:01,739
everything you're up to and uh yeah

3231
02:00:05,570 --> 02:00:03,360
anything that you could tease coming up

3232
02:00:07,669 --> 02:00:05,580
over there at the debrief and the Micah

3233
02:00:08,810 --> 02:00:07,679
Hanks program oh yeah absolutely of

3234
02:00:11,030 --> 02:00:08,820
course this week I'm going to be

3235
02:00:13,910 --> 02:00:11,040
dropping a podcast on the Micah Hanks

3236
02:00:16,550 --> 02:00:13,920
program Dr Gary Nolan and I sat down

3237
02:00:18,050 --> 02:00:16,560
caught up quite a conversation

3238
02:00:19,729 --> 02:00:18,060
so you'll definitely want to hear that

3239
02:00:21,950 --> 02:00:19,739
but you can follow my work at

3240
02:00:24,229 --> 02:00:21,960
micahhanks.com the podcast is at

3241
02:00:27,169 --> 02:00:24,239
micahhanks.com forward slash podcast

3242
02:00:30,169 --> 02:00:27,179
imagine that and then the debrief of

3243
02:00:31,850 --> 02:00:30,179
course the debrief.org is where you can

3244
02:00:34,970 --> 02:00:31,860
find it again you got to add the v in

3245
02:00:36,709 --> 02:00:34,980
there so the debrief dot org uh every

3246
02:00:39,169 --> 02:00:36,719
weekday and sometimes on weekends too

3247
02:00:41,030 --> 02:00:39,179
we've got contributions from fine Riders

3248
02:00:42,109 --> 02:00:41,040
out there Ryan Sprague also has been a

3249
02:00:43,370 --> 02:00:42,119
contributor and I hope to get him back

3250
02:00:45,649 --> 02:00:43,380
over there doing some writing for us

3251
02:00:47,209 --> 02:00:45,659
here in the uh days and weeks ahead so

3252
02:00:48,770 --> 02:00:47,219
but I'm always there Monday through

3253
02:00:50,870 --> 02:00:48,780
Friday and we're always churning out the

3254
02:00:53,510 --> 02:00:50,880
latest in science disruptive technology

3255
02:00:55,970 --> 02:00:53,520
and occasionally when there's news we

3256
02:00:58,550 --> 02:00:55,980
talk about UAP as well

3257
02:01:00,050 --> 02:00:58,560
love it brother I love working with you

3258
02:01:02,149 --> 02:01:00,060
guys over there

3259
02:01:05,450 --> 02:01:02,159
um always honored to contribute however

3260
02:01:08,689 --> 02:01:05,460
I can um everyone in the chat is saying

3261
02:01:10,850 --> 02:01:08,699
nice shirt Micah we love the shirt

3262
02:01:13,250 --> 02:01:10,860
um giving you all the accolades you

3263
02:01:15,410 --> 02:01:13,260
truly deserve my man so I'm gonna say

3264
02:01:16,790 --> 02:01:15,420
good night to you and debrief for the

3265
02:01:18,290 --> 02:01:16,800
audience a little bit oh I didn't even

3266
02:01:19,729 --> 02:01:18,300
mean to do that debrief with the

3267
02:01:21,410 --> 02:01:19,739
audience a little bit

3268
02:01:24,050 --> 02:01:21,420
um but I want to thank you for your time

3269
02:01:26,330 --> 02:01:24,060
tonight as always and your insights so

3270
02:01:27,830 --> 02:01:26,340
thank you Micah Hanks my pleasure I

3271
02:01:29,330 --> 02:01:27,840
support your work and everything that

3272
02:01:30,770 --> 02:01:29,340
you do Ryan as you know that and uh

3273
02:01:33,649 --> 02:01:30,780
let's catch up in the days ahead and

3274
02:01:35,270 --> 02:01:33,659
let's chat man uh maybe you can get some

3275
02:01:36,770 --> 02:01:35,280
contributions for us over there at that

3276
02:01:38,689 --> 02:01:36,780
fine website but listen I'll let you

3277
02:01:40,490 --> 02:01:38,699
guys enjoy your evening thank you to all

3278
02:01:42,410 --> 02:01:40,500
of you who listen to and don't forget to

3279
02:01:43,850 --> 02:01:42,420
uh of course smash that subscribe button

3280
02:01:45,890 --> 02:01:43,860
and send some dollars along to this

3281
02:01:47,870 --> 02:01:45,900
gentleman he works very hard

3282
02:01:49,370 --> 02:01:47,880
and indeed you got to show him some love

3283
02:01:51,350 --> 02:01:49,380
let Ryan know that you appreciate what

3284
02:01:52,609 --> 02:01:51,360
he does like I do all right ma'am ciao

3285
02:01:54,770 --> 02:01:52,619
and thank you

3286
02:01:56,450 --> 02:01:54,780
thank you brother have a great night I

3287
02:01:59,870 --> 02:01:56,460
truly appreciate it

3288
02:02:04,910 --> 02:02:02,570
there he is guys our mystery co-host of

3289
02:02:08,689 --> 02:02:04,920
the night the one and only Micah Hanks

3290
02:02:11,330 --> 02:02:08,699
we covered so much I I knew he was the

3291
02:02:13,189 --> 02:02:11,340
one to have on for this episode so um

3292
02:02:14,209 --> 02:02:13,199
thank you thank you to everyone in the

3293
02:02:16,370 --> 02:02:14,219
chat

3294
02:02:17,870 --> 02:02:16,380
um thank you for the Super Chat thank

3295
02:02:19,550 --> 02:02:17,880
you for all of your comments and

3296
02:02:22,910 --> 02:02:19,560
questions I'm sorry if I didn't get to

3297
02:02:24,830 --> 02:02:22,920
all of them but um yeah we had a lot to

3298
02:02:27,950 --> 02:02:24,840
discuss no podcast highlights of the

3299
02:02:29,450 --> 02:02:27,960
week but we did have plenty of news to

3300
02:02:31,550 --> 02:02:29,460
bring you guys

3301
02:02:34,490 --> 02:02:31,560
um this episode will be the podcast of

3302
02:02:38,990 --> 02:02:34,500
somewhere in the skies that will drop uh

3303
02:02:41,450 --> 02:02:39,000
at midnight Midnight um ESC so yeah if

3304
02:02:43,370 --> 02:02:41,460
you are um listening to this we had a

3305
02:02:44,990 --> 02:02:43,380
bunch of visuals here on the YouTube

3306
02:02:46,850 --> 02:02:45,000
version so you can head over to YouTube

3307
02:02:50,510 --> 02:02:46,860
to watch this

3308
02:02:52,609 --> 02:02:50,520
um and then next week I have a big

3309
02:02:54,109 --> 02:02:52,619
episode coming your way this was

3310
02:02:56,089 --> 02:02:54,119
supposed to release this week but

3311
02:02:57,350 --> 02:02:56,099
because of all of the traveling I've

3312
02:02:59,810 --> 02:02:57,360
been doing

3313
02:03:03,950 --> 02:02:59,820
um the weird ear stuff that's been going

3314
02:03:05,510 --> 02:03:03,960
on I was not able to finish the episode

3315
02:03:07,550 --> 02:03:05,520
um but this awesome conversation tonight

3316
02:03:09,649 --> 02:03:07,560
will be the podcast for the week but

3317
02:03:11,750 --> 02:03:09,659
next week I have an episode that will be

3318
02:03:15,169 --> 02:03:11,760
dropping called harvested the dark

3319
02:03:17,330 --> 02:03:15,179
Encounters of Susan uh buckle up guys

3320
02:03:20,990 --> 02:03:17,340
this is probably going to be one of the

3321
02:03:23,450 --> 02:03:21,000
um the most emotional and possibly

3322
02:03:28,129 --> 02:03:23,460
disturbing episodes of the podcast to

3323
02:03:30,070 --> 02:03:28,139
date of a lifelong uh series of events

3324
02:03:33,649 --> 02:03:30,080
that happened to this woman known only

3325
02:03:37,189 --> 02:03:33,659
as Susan here in the UK

3326
02:03:39,770 --> 02:03:37,199
um I hired a brilliant New York stage

3327
02:03:42,290 --> 02:03:39,780
actor to do a lot of voice over for this

3328
02:03:44,209 --> 02:03:42,300
episode truly honored

3329
02:03:45,830 --> 02:03:44,219
um for her time and talents on the

3330
02:03:48,229 --> 02:03:45,840
episode so I think you're gonna love it

3331
02:03:50,209 --> 02:03:48,239
honestly I love producing these audio

3332
02:03:52,609 --> 02:03:50,219
documentary episodes where I really get

3333
02:03:55,790 --> 02:03:52,619
to stretch my writing muscles my

3334
02:03:57,890 --> 02:03:55,800
research muscles and get you know people

3335
02:03:59,810 --> 02:03:57,900
in the world of theater or film to

3336
02:04:01,910 --> 02:03:59,820
contribute as well because that's why

3337
02:04:03,649 --> 02:04:01,920
it's all about honestly

3338
02:04:04,910 --> 02:04:03,659
um bringing everyone in and becoming a

3339
02:04:06,609 --> 02:04:04,920
part of the summer in the skies family

3340
02:04:10,790 --> 02:04:06,619
so be on the lookout for that episode

3341
02:04:13,669 --> 02:04:10,800
dropping next week um let me go to the

3342
02:04:15,350 --> 02:04:13,679
chat one more time before I get going

3343
02:04:17,510 --> 02:04:15,360
here

3344
02:04:21,169 --> 02:04:19,609
seeing if I missed any questions you

3345
02:04:23,270 --> 02:04:21,179
guys have

3346
02:04:24,669 --> 02:04:23,280
no questions everyone just loves Mike a

3347
02:04:29,030 --> 02:04:24,679
shirt

3348
02:04:33,290 --> 02:04:29,040
ah amazing amazing all right guys I am

3349
02:04:36,770 --> 02:04:33,300
going to say goodbye and good night for

3350
02:04:38,689 --> 02:04:36,780
tonight however however one last thing

3351
02:04:42,290 --> 02:04:38,699
to tease for you guys

3352
02:04:45,950 --> 02:04:42,300
be on the lookout in the next week or so

3353
02:04:47,629 --> 02:04:45,960
for a brand new book

3354
02:04:49,550 --> 02:04:47,639
by me

3355
02:04:51,950 --> 02:04:49,560
um I haven't talked much about it I've

3356
02:04:54,290 --> 02:04:51,960
teased it a little bit but I just was

3357
02:04:56,689 --> 02:04:54,300
informed that it will be dropping at the

3358
02:04:58,010 --> 02:04:56,699
end of this month so a brand new

3359
02:05:01,010 --> 02:04:58,020
somewhere in the skies book coming your

3360
02:05:04,910 --> 02:05:01,020
way in less than a week so it's going to

3361
02:05:08,089 --> 02:05:04,920
be it's gonna be amazing I'm so

3362
02:05:10,490 --> 02:05:08,099
so proud of the work that so many did in

3363
02:05:13,250 --> 02:05:10,500
contributing to this book this book

3364
02:05:14,390 --> 02:05:13,260
truly belongs to the people I

3365
02:05:15,169 --> 02:05:14,400
interviewed

3366
02:05:18,229 --> 02:05:15,179
um

3367
02:05:21,410 --> 02:05:18,239
I wrote an intro I wrote a few things in

3368
02:05:25,189 --> 02:05:21,420
it but honestly this is a book by you

3369
02:05:26,689 --> 02:05:25,199
the listeners and the experiencers that

3370
02:05:29,089 --> 02:05:26,699
have reached out to me at somewhere in

3371
02:05:31,310 --> 02:05:29,099
the skies so this is a celebration of

3372
02:05:35,689 --> 02:05:31,320
you guys this book it is my love letter

3373
02:05:37,729 --> 02:05:35,699
to you it is um a platform for anyone to

3374
02:05:40,010 --> 02:05:37,739
share their UFO stories and that's what

3375
02:05:42,470 --> 02:05:40,020
we truly stand for that's somewhere in

3376
02:05:43,790 --> 02:05:42,480
the sky so going back to my roots be on

3377
02:05:46,129 --> 02:05:43,800
the lookout for that book coming to you

3378
02:05:49,070 --> 02:05:46,139
next week I'm so pumped so excited I'll

3379
02:05:51,470 --> 02:05:49,080
have more info about it very very soon

3380
02:05:53,149 --> 02:05:51,480
but in the meantime please like Please

3381
02:05:54,470 --> 02:05:53,159
Subscribe

3382
02:05:56,990 --> 02:05:54,480
um if you want to leave a Super Chat

3383
02:05:58,850 --> 02:05:57,000
that helps the show tremendously if you

3384
02:06:00,770 --> 02:05:58,860
can't afford it no problem all I ask is

3385
02:06:03,290 --> 02:06:00,780
that you like and subscribe that's it

3386
02:06:06,410 --> 02:06:03,300
share the show with your friends as well

3387
02:06:09,050 --> 02:06:06,420
and family members and all that that's

3388
02:06:11,510 --> 02:06:09,060
it guys I'm gonna say good night and as

3389
02:06:13,550 --> 02:06:11,520
always keep your feet on the ground but

3390
02:06:15,030 --> 02:06:13,560
never stop searching somewhere in the

3391
02:06:17,050 --> 02:06:15,040
skies have a great night

3392
02:06:43,790 --> 02:06:17,060
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